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Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jul 29, 2025, 2:53 PM UTC

bjoli wrote: post #868

whadar wrote: post #725

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"The only reason there is starvation in Gaza is because IDF is preventing aid from entering the territory and are refusing to let real humanitarian organizations work safely there." This is not accurate to say the least. Trucks do get in but Hamas and armed groups control the supplies and prevent a fair distribution

Every humanitarian organisation on the ground have said that these claims are false. What they HAVE claimed is that the gangs that are raiding aid are doing so with the support of the IDF: www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-14/gaza-aid-looting-gangs-yasser-abu-shabab-israel-netanyahu-hamas This was the first result of many. I have heard these claims from many many sources for at least 6 months, despite having actively avoid…

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Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by hersko » Tue, Jul 29, 2025, 2:54 PM UTC

insane_dreamer wrote: post #440

skybrian wrote: post #409

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Well, maybe not. Did the UN send peacekeepers when Russia invaded Ukraine? Do they send peacekeepers to stop the war in Sudan? Intervening in an active war is not what peacekeepers are for. Why are Palestinian refugees still in Gaza when the whole place is a war zone? Certainly some would stay, but mostly they are trapped. Under the circumstances, for Gaza, having Israel as a neighbor is worse than having Russia as a…

> Did the UN send peacekeepers when Russia invaded Ukraine? Do they send peacekeepers to stop the war in Sudan? Intervening in an active war is not what peacekeepers are for. True. But what's happening in Gaza is not an active war. Its oppression of a civilian population by a powerful military force. But certainly we've let other genocidal atrocities go by without intervening, such as Rwanda in '94. So you have a poi…

> True. But what's happening in Gaza is not an active war. Its oppression of a civilian population by a powerful military force.

What? The government of Gaza, Hamas, is at war with Israel. Just because one side is weaker that suddenly turns them all into civilians?

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by oa335 » Tue, Jul 29, 2025, 2:57 PM UTC

BigJ1211 wrote: post #869

4gotunameagain wrote: post #691

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You are framing it as if the problem is Hamas and the existence of Hamas. Isn't the existence of Hamas only strengthened by the war, by the actions of Israel ? I would argue that the October 7 attack was highly beneficial for the expansionist plans of Israel. Highly beneficial for Netanyahu, who now can stay in power under martial law instead of fearing prosecution for his previous crimes. Hamas will not magically ce…

How do you not see this as circular reinforcement? Hamas justifies it's attacks by pointing to Israel, and Israel justifies it by pointing to Hamas. Things like Hamas still holding 50 hostages, rockets still being fired into Israel etc. Israel will not magically stop when Hamas still exists. > Imagine the amount of hate that is brewed against Israel again right now. Would you ever forget or forgive if as a child you…

> The majority of Israelis don't want to genocide the Gazans.

According to a recent poll:

Nearly half (47 percent) of respondents agreed that "when conquering an enemy city, the Israel Defense Forces should act as the Israelites did in Jericho under Joshua's command – killing all its inhabitants."

82 percent of respondents supported the expulsion of Gaza's residents

56 percent favored expelling Palestinian citizens of Israel

https://archive.is/Fg4OX#selection-659.66-659.274

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jul 29, 2025, 3:01 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #448

crystal_revenge wrote: post #170

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> a divisive and emotional topic. I strongly suspect that this "divisive" nature of the topic is precisely the illusion being created. That's exactly what I am challenging here. In my non-online life I've known many vaccine skeptics, climate skeptics, crypto enthusiasts, extreme right/left-wingers, people with complex view of trans issues, divisions on BLM topics, gun fanatics, gun abolitionists etc, etc. But the opi…

Other users have already made some good replies, but I want to add that this is an example of what I wrote about in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23308098 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35932851 ( one's feeling of good faith decreases as the distance between someone else's opinion and one's own increases ). The community is much bigger than people assume it is, and therefore contains a much wider ran…

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Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by isr » Tue, Jul 29, 2025, 3:08 PM UTC

frahs wrote: post #498

isr wrote: post #431

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Which Palestinians has Israel been a racist project to? The Israeli Palestinians that make up 20% of the population? Or the ones living on the other side of the border? I'm not sure it's only about race. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

And that kind of myopic, self indulgent, genocidal/racist/apartheid -apologist tone, trying to obfuscate plain truths...

that pretty much sums up much of the responses on this forum, and the US tech sector (or at least its managers) in general.

Leaving aside the moral bankruptcy, it also displays a stunning and fundamental ignorance of the flow of history. How many of you will end up having to pretend, 5 years from now, that this wasn't your online username, just to be allowed to function in "polite society".

It also shows how much of a self-deluded echo chamber you live in, not realizing how completely such genocidal apologist propaganda has been debunked & discarded amongst the wider population - even within the US.

It all smacks of the apocryphal saying of Marie Antoinette of "let them eat cake", weeks before she has a load taken off her shoulders

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by oa335 » Tue, Jul 29, 2025, 3:11 PM UTC

YZF wrote: post #427

ivape wrote: post #347

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You're confusing hatred for Palestinians with hatred for Gazans. Most Israelis do not hate Palestinians. There might be some. There's definitely a lot of hate to Gazans after Oct 7th which is understandable. As to the "what are we supposed to do" part- What are they supposed to do? How would you navigate this better after Oct 7th given the setup/hostages etc.? Israel has officially said many times they are not target…

> You're confusing hatred for Palestinians with hatred for Gazans. Most Israelis do not hate Palestinians.

Hate is an emotion and hard to quantify; what's easier to measure are actions and intentions.

https://archive.is/Fg4OX

E.g. 56 percent of Israeli Jews polloed favored expelling Palestinian citizens of Israel.

Nearly half (47 percent) of respondents agreed that "when conquering an enemy city, the Israel Defense Forces should act as the Israelites did in Jericho under Joshua's command – killing all its inhabitants.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by Der_Einzige » Tue, Jul 29, 2025, 3:18 PM UTC

churchill wrote: post #286

tim333 wrote: post #240

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I mostly agree except the "no political system can survive disillusion" bit. In most of the examples you give the political system survived.

For now. Eventually, the injuries your system takes over time grinds your gears to a halt. And I can provide numerous examples: Portugal's colonial holdings (Guinea-Bissau, Angola, Mozambique) were unwound after the carnation revolution because the overseas wars were consuming 50% of the national budget while the Estado Novo at home was a corrupt, violent, authoritarian, corporatist state. The Brits could not square…

My god such a telelogical view of history and it smells like generated with ChatGPT and using a few prompts to try to textual style hide it.

Howard Zinn, Chomsky, and most other anti imperialist intellectuals viewed history similarly badly and are looking almost as stupid in retrospect as Fukuyama did with his claim that history has ended. For every example they bring up, there's 5 counterexamples that they didn't bring up because in some cases the evidence for the good they did is locked up in a spooks SKIF for the next 50 years - or in other cases they didn't bring it up because America just isn't allowed to be the good guy anymore if you personally took part in America doing bad things.

The amount of damage that folks like Marx did through making people believe in telelogical views of history ( i.e. "Capitalism is GUARANTEED to destroy itself due to internal contradictions") is colossal.

Shit bad regimes which are based on lies are now stronger than ever. I'm willing to bet $$$ that not only does NK exist in 50 years, but it's stronger than ever and even more authoritarian. AI literally locks in power structures and perfects them.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by nailer » Tue, Jul 29, 2025, 3:27 PM UTC

fahhem wrote: post #572

orbisvicis wrote: post #433

What's everyone's thoughts on the GHF? They're the only way that food officially enters Gaza. IDF is not supposed to be immediately present at the distribution sites, and yet are shooting civilians. As are contractors hired by GHF. In fact there are cases of nationals joining IDF for the explicit purpose of shooting civilians, seemingly. There are movements to disband the GHF, but how else would Gazans eat?

> how else would Gazans eat? UNRWA, WFP, etc. You know, the ones with decades of experience in Gaza and other war zones with sites, warehouses, and all the other infrastructure necessary to support a population under siege.

> UNRWA

The one that has a unique definiton of 'refugee' that doesn't correspond with UNs the normal definition of the term? Where many of the staff work for Hamas? Where their schools teach children to be martyrs? The one many countries have halted funding for because of this?

If you want the UN, fine, UNHCR, the normal UN refugee agency.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by nailer » Tue, Jul 29, 2025, 3:31 PM UTC

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #751

I don't really understand how this conflict has been dragged out for so long. It seems like with all the external global support, it should be possible to bring enough world leaders together to hammer out a peace treaty. Current strategies of applying external pressure and protesting appear to be largely ineffective. There's so many people who wield immense power and wealth, but they seem unwilling to take direct act…

> it should be possible to bring enough world leaders together to hammer out a peace treaty.

Hamas does not want to step down, they want to kill all the Jewish people. They are very clear about this.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by starik36 » Tue, Jul 29, 2025, 3:33 PM UTC

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #512

starik36 wrote: post #444

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> Anyone still need testimonies like these to be convinced that Israel You are operating until a false premise that Palestinians/Hamas are some sort of children and bear no responsibility for anything at all. Where in reality, the war could have been over in 5 minutes if they released the hostages at any time during the past 3 years. It still can be over in 5 minutes if they choose to do that. But no, they will put a…

> You are operating until a false premise that Palestinians/Hamas are some sort of children and bear no responsibility for anything at all. Where in reality, the war could have been over in 5 minutes if they released the hostages at any time during the past 3 years. It still can be over in 5 minutes if they choose to do that. But no, they will put as many of their own people in harm's way as necessary to get to the w…

Sure, technically. But to this day, majorities support Oct 7th attack, both in Gaza and West Bank.

That's like saying in WW2, we can't attack Berlin because there are innocent Germans who don't support Nazis.

So how exactly do you propose to fight Hamas in an urban environment when it's blending in to the population that largely supports them (and only put on a uniform during propaganda events like hostage handovers)?