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Seemed like it was a realistic threat considering Germany did exactly that; invade all of Europe.

Oh that’s fair, in my last comment I said “invade” which was careless word choice. What GP said and what I was reacting to was “conquer”, as in invade and then continue to occupy after the war concludes. The France and Britain invasions were pretty straightforwardly defensive actions by Germany. They both allied with Poland and when Poland was invaded (an aggressive act by Germany) they declared war on Germany. What…

This line of reasoning is even more revealing when you realize how the western allies dropped Poland like a bad habit at the end of the war. The Polish government-in-exile that fought with the western allies never regained control of the territory of Poland -- the current Republic of Poland is not a continuation of the pre-war government or the government-in-exile. One could make the argument that the poles were just a convenient excuse for Britain and France to enter and expand the war.

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The commenter is talking about the 6 month trip to Mars in space, not on the surface.

It's not that different between the two; Mars lacks a magnetosphere, so the planet itself is left to block about half of what'd hit you in interplanetary space.

The atmosphere, though thin, does a lot of work too.

Re: Super Heavy has splashed down in The Gulf of Mexico

#893

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Did they specifically work by making the citizens push the government to capitulate? For that matter, could any of them have been successfully carried out with V1's? I'm not familiar with all of those, but I would wager no, in which case they're irrelevant to my point. No one sane is disputing that bombing can have value, but modern military bombing is done with (relatively) precise strikes against militarily useful…

> Did they specifically work by making the citizens push the government to capitulate? That's a good question, I really don't know. I'll try to read a bit this weekend, thank you.

You have added a long list. Yet it would be worth noting that, Afghanistan didn't really work very well, in that the said government just waited for the occupation to leave. ISIS didn't have any civilian leadership/structure in the first place, that can be asked by a civilian population to stop. Yemen is still controlled by Houthis and the less said about the bombing the better.

Re: Super Heavy has splashed down in The Gulf of Mexico

#894

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Oh that’s fair, in my last comment I said “invade” which was careless word choice. What GP said and what I was reacting to was “conquer”, as in invade and then continue to occupy after the war concludes. The France and Britain invasions were pretty straightforwardly defensive actions by Germany. They both allied with Poland and when Poland was invaded (an aggressive act by Germany) they declared war on Germany. What…

This line of reasoning is even more revealing when you realize how the western allies dropped Poland like a bad habit at the end of the war. The Polish government-in-exile that fought with the western allies never regained control of the territory of Poland -- the current Republic of Poland is not a continuation of the pre-war government or the government-in-exile. One could make the argument that the poles were just…

Are you suggesting that the west should have gone further and declared war on the USSR after Germany's defeat, such that, it is consistent with the view that Poland should exist with its pre-war government, otherwise, the governments of the west are just hypocrites? Was the cold war not hot enough such to meet this bar? These glancing apologies for Germany's actions in WW2 seem ludicrous.

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There is a "hole" in the plasma in the wake of the re-entering Starship due to its shape. They used Starlink terminals to beam the data up to Starlink satellites. Starlink also uses higher frequency signals than older systems and that also helps.

I'm not sure if they have shared details but I assume this leaves a relatively narrow window over the ship that they need to put a satellite, which would be really cool to see more on logistically. Like how do you move a satellite or satellites to a certain area, at the right time, avoiding other space objects, and then keep them there for 45 minutes during the mission or at least 15 minutes during the blackout zone.…

> like how do you move a satellite or satellites to a certain area, at the right time, avoiding other space objects

They have 6000+ satellites in orbit. While it may not be easy, it is probably not a huge challenge to plan for one or more to always be in the field of view for this flight.

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> Did Britain create the alliance between France and Russia? Britain did not create the alliance between France and Russia - that alliance was formed independently in 1894 as a counterweight to the Triple Alliance of Germany, Austria-Hungary and Italy. Britain's casus belli for entering WWI in 1914 was Germany's violation of Belgian neutrality, not any direct alliance obligations. However, I would argue that Britain'…

> Britain did not create the alliance between France and Russia - that alliance was formed independently in 1894 as a counterweight to the Triple Alliance of Germany, Austria-Hungary and Italy. Britain's casus belli for entering WWI in 1914 was Germany's violation of Belgian neutrality, not any direct alliance obligations. And the idea of maintaining a balance of power in the first place was part of the legacy of the…

> You're furthering a theory in which Britain is somehow to blame for the outbreak of the First World War.

If you believe this you misunderstood me.

There was a regional war (the “long peace” had many of these) which only became a global war when the British empire got involved. What I pointed out was that British involvement was optional. The British Empire was concerned about maintaining a balance of power in Europe. German dominance threatened this balance hence the British empire wanting war with Germany and declaring war on Germany. Belgium was a convenient pretext.

> I assumed that your attempt to rehabilitate the historical legacy of the German Empire was motivated by some sort of fondness for the German Empire. If I'm mistaken, please accept my apologies.

My argument is that the outbreak of World War I was caused by the "Thucydides Trap" dynamic and I do not believe the simplistic “evil Germans were responsible”. Nor do I believe the British or Russians were responsible. To cast blame is to misunderstand the "Thucydides Trap".

> Even if Britain had the goal of engineering the outbreak of a war with Germany, they did very little that contributed to the outbreak of such a war. Meanwhile, Germany took several such actions.

When above I said “WW1 was wanted by British leadership who were locked in an arms race with Germany that they could not sustain much longer and wanted a war with Germany while they were ahead” I did not say “Britain had the goal of engineering the outbreak of a war with Germany”. You misunderstood me.

> My objection with your theory here is that you haven't provided any credible mechanism by which Britain could have possibly engineered the start of an Anglo-German war, particularly when the causal links in that chain included many actions that were entirely within Germany's control. Can you please address that particular objection?

I may want a new car, however I am not going to get a new car unless my current car needs big repairs but I am not going to crash it for that purpose to “engineer” the situation. Similarly British leadership who were locked in an arms race with Germany (that they could not sustain much longer) wanted a war with Germany (they were ahead) but it would be foolish to engineer war on purpose.

At the start of WW1 the British Empire played a dominant role in the global economy -- it was perhaps about one-quarter to one-third of the global economy. Adding to this the economic contributions of English-speaking allies like the United of States of America, which was rapidly industrializing and increasing its economic output, the fraction could reasonably be estimated to range from approximately 30% to 40% of the world's GDP being either English-speaking or under British control at the beginning of World War I.

Would we call it a “world” war if 30-40% of world GDP was not involved? Did the British Empire have to be involved? Were they attacked? No, there was a treaty about keeping Belgium neutral that was used by the British to declare war on Germany. Did Britain have to declare war if it did not want war?

To help answer this question let’s look at a more recent example: the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances. It was signed in December 1994 by Ukraine, the United States, Russia, and the United Kingdom. The signatories offered assurances against the use of force or coercion against Ukraine and pledged to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine. Could this treaty be used as a reason to declare war on Russia? Yet nobody wants war with Russia so nobody declared war on Russia. So going back to the British Empire, if it did not want war with Germany did it have to declare war due to Belgium?

> That's a non-sequitur; even if the Treaty of Versailles was too punitive, it doesn't follow that Germany didn't start the war.

It may look like two separate issues however if victors need to justify a punitive treaty are there no incentives to write the history about the start of the conflict in a biased way? Did you witness the start of WW1 in person? Understanding biases in how history is recorded is important is it not?

> (For what it's worth, the most punitive effects of the Versailles Treaty had been effectively waived or ameliorated long before the Nazis took power. The consequences of the Versailles Treaty did motivate support for the Nazis in the 1920's, but by the end of the 1920's, hyperinflation was over and Germany had successfully renegotiated itself into a much stronger economic position. What really helped the Nazis after that point was the start of the Great Depression. But this is a tangent.)

> Some simplistic historical narratives also turn out to be mostly true. For example, would you make the same claim about the Second World War that you're making about the First?

Simplistic historical narratives belong in patriotic propaganda. “Why did your family members and friends die? They died for our country! They died for freedom! Democracy!”

You come across as smart so why would you accept simplistic historical narratives?

What you say may be true but how do you explain that World War II is often viewed as a continuation of World War I? Do you doubt that unresolved issues and punitive conditions of the Treaty of Versailles left Germany economically and politically destabilized? Do you doubt that the harsh penalties, including significant territorial losses, disarmament, and crippling reparations, fostered deep resentment among Germans? Do you doubt that this environment allowed extremist parties like the Nazis under Adolf Hitler to rise to power? Do you doubt that Hitler's aggressive policies were aimed at overturning the Treaty of Versailles and restoring Germany's stature? Nothing to do with WW1?

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#897

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What's the difference between those two?

"Will have been filming" is the future perfect continuous form of the verb "to film", while "will have been blue" is the future perfect form of the verb "to be", with "blue" as a subject complement.

Makes sense, thanks for clarifying.

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This line of reasoning is even more revealing when you realize how the western allies dropped Poland like a bad habit at the end of the war. The Polish government-in-exile that fought with the western allies never regained control of the territory of Poland -- the current Republic of Poland is not a continuation of the pre-war government or the government-in-exile. One could make the argument that the poles were just…

Are you suggesting that the west should have gone further and declared war on the USSR after Germany's defeat, such that, it is consistent with the view that Poland should exist with its pre-war government, otherwise, the governments of the west are just hypocrites? Was the cold war not hot enough such to meet this bar? These glancing apologies for Germany's actions in WW2 seem ludicrous.

I believe the idea is realistically more that the allies should not have declared victory as they did, if a free Poland was truly their goal.

If you fail to achieve your stated goal and you still declare victory, you are either lying about your goal, or you are lying about your victory.

Invading the USSR probably wasn’t the most efficient way to ensure a free Poland. Have you heard of negotiation? Did the USSR really not want anything that the Allies could give to ensure a free Poland? Or did the Allies simply not value a free Poland enough to give up something big enough? If it was really their main reason for entering the war, don’t you think the negotiations math would have worked out differently?

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#899

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Are you suggesting that the west should have gone further and declared war on the USSR after Germany's defeat, such that, it is consistent with the view that Poland should exist with its pre-war government, otherwise, the governments of the west are just hypocrites? Was the cold war not hot enough such to meet this bar? These glancing apologies for Germany's actions in WW2 seem ludicrous.

I believe the idea is realistically more that the allies should not have declared victory as they did, if a free Poland was truly their goal. If you fail to achieve your stated goal and you still declare victory, you are either lying about your goal, or you are lying about your victory. Invading the USSR probably wasn’t the most efficient way to ensure a free Poland. Have you heard of negotiation? Did the USSR really…

While that can be an interesting lens (though I think it erases material context), the point I was discussing was not about the validity of someone declaring victory, but rather, about countries invading their neighbors.
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