Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

> I'm sorry, but that's not what I'm saying.

Sorry for misunderstanding. I'm still not sure I'm following though.

> You are comparing me to a slave owner?

I'm certainly not saying you support slavery. But I am comparing the line of reasoning to reasoning that has been used to justify other unsavory things.

> The difference of course here is that black people are just as smart as whites.

Presumably the slave owner wouldn't think so.

But even if the enslaved people were less intelligent, how would that justify slavery?

The ecosystem the bison were a part of sequestered carbon. They moved over a huge area and grazed just enough for the soil to store carbon. Intensive farming depletes the soil, actually releasing co2 into the air. I don't know why most people replying to you have failed to point this out. Game meat is generally CO2e neutral.

You can of course still find cow meat that comes from farming that sequester enough co2 to mitigate or offset the emissions, but that kind of production would not sustain current consumption levels.

In my home country, very few areas are suitable for intensive grazing from a sequesterin POW. Only about 10% of the current land used for grazing animals sequester any meaningful amount of CO2.

oh, and I saw someone posted the xkcd comic as a reply to you. That one is pretty telling.

Well, if we are to follow the parent's mention of Peter Singer, you could go check out just about any source of preference utilitarianism. Briefly:

An animal has a conscious will to live on, a preference so to say, and those preferences are the basis of moral consideration.

A plant lacks those kinds of preferences (lacking any brain activity - what we can see are mostly just hormonal cell responses and such; things that all living cells have) and thus the plant in itself is not worthy of moral consideration.

> A vegetarian advocacy site now counts as a source against meat?

That's an ad-hominem, not an argument. Read the article and let me know if you're able to actually counter its points. Besides, there's nothing "against meat" here. Plenty of vegetarians are tricked into believing they need to carefully compliment their proteins, even if they eat eggs and dairy. Beans & rice and all that nonsense.

> Try finding a reasonable plant based diet with enough leucine.

Plants are generally a better source of Leucine than meat. Pea protein and soy protein, which are used in meat substitutes, have several times more leucine than beef. Even raw legumes have a good amount of leucine, easily enough to meet the daily requirements of athletes.

> Not only this will be incredibly tough, but it would introduce a myriad of plant toxins and pesticides.

And exactly what are the "myriad of plant toxins and pesticides" I'm exposing myself to with my bean-heavy diet?

> Let's ignore for a moment this utterly false for protein [2]

It appears you forgot to read your own citation. That paper is talking about the importance of bioavailability in malnourished people. Reread what I wrote above: in any reasonable diet-- like you and I eat every day-- bioavailability has no significant role in meeting our daily protein needs. In other words, you and I and everyone else in the first world have little trouble getting enough protein without ever having to pay attention to availability.

> Unfortunately, some people are incredibly poor converters of beta-carotene, and must rely on the complete form of the vitamin [3]

And again, you forgot to read your own citation. This paper is talking about the importance of high-carotenoid vegetables to prevent vitamin A deficiency. And like your previous citation, the context is developing countries with widespread malnutrition. To make it easy for you, here's a snippet from the abstract:

> Although the vitamin A equivalency of β-carotene is highly variable, the provision of vegetable and fruit sources of β-carotene has significantly increased vitamin A status in women and children in community settings in developing countries; these results support the inclusion of dietary interventions with plant sources of β-carotene as a strategy for increasing vitamin A status in populations at risk of deficiency.

You should read the rest of the paper. It makes a compelling case for increasing the consumption of vegetables for everyone, not just malnourished people.

> That's a separate can of worms. Let's just say that I would much prefer to eat saturated beef fat over seed oil derived slop.

Right. Just for kicks, give me a quick rundown of why Beyond's coconut and canola fats are so much inferior to beef fat. I'm quite curious.

We all live on this planet together, what we do affects others and while I think meat should remain part of our diets I think it needs to become a much less central part of it.

I enjoy meat myself, but I use it more sparingly in combination with other central meal components.