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Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by Singletoned »

m8s wrote: post #441
hammock wrote: post #383

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>when you add up every hot pocket, frozen pizza, slider, hot dog, or chicken nugget, it's hard to argue that most of meat actually being consumed can't be easily substituted. For something healthier and cheaper too! Read the labels more closely the next time you eat that hot pocket or frozen sausage pizza. A large number of these products already have "textured vegetable protein" (TVP) or other meat substitute in the…

Ingredients ENRICHED WHEAT FLOUR (WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE, RIBOFLAVIN, AND FOLIC ACID), WATER, LOW-MOISTURE PART-SKIM MOZZARELLA CHEESE (CULTURED PART-SKIM MILK, SALT, ENZYMES), TOMATO PASTE, COOKED SEASONED PIZZA TOPPING MADE WITH PORK AND CHICKEN, BHA, BHT AND CITRIC ACID ADDED TO HELP PROTECT FLAVOR (PORK, MECHANICALLY SEPARATED CHICKEN, WATER, TEXTURED SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, SPIC…

That pizza would be illegal in the Uk. BHA and BHP are banned over here

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by wyre »

mike_d wrote: post #434
drewg123 wrote: post #64

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That study seems to be comparing cropland to pasture. The problem is that the tradeoff is not between cropland and pasture, but pasture and forest. Eg: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/02/revealed... Due to increasing demand for meat, we have people burning the forest and releasing all the carbon sequestered in the trees, and reducing the efficiency of the land as a carbon sink going forward.

The majority of the worlds meat is raised in areas where forests do not naturally develop. If all natural meat consumption stopped tomorrow, Brazilians would cut down forests to grow whatever is needed for fake meat. The problem is land is one of the few economically exploitable natural resources the country has to sustain itself.

Brazilians are currently cutting down forests to grow crops for cattle feed.

Plant based meat uses less resources than beef so I would call that a win in my book.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by kmonsen »

drewg123 wrote: post #2

This is the best news I've heard all week. The more widely vegan "meat" is available, the more likely it is to be adopted by average people and not just dedicated vegans. Reducing the demand for real beef is probably one of the best things we can do in the short term for the environment, due to the amount of land required for cattle farming, and due to the surprising amount of methane emitted by cattle. (see the docu…

I'm not vegan, but I always pick the Beyond/impossible options when they are available. I hardly taste the difference and one less cow had to die for me having a tasty meal. And greenhouse gasses I guess, but for me animal cruelty is the most important.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by briefcomment »

sjy wrote: post #682
briefcomment wrote: post #668

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Then why don’t we just anesthetize animals before slaughtering them? Seems like it would take care of your concern.

The same reason anaesthesia doesn’t make it okay to kill humans. There’s lots more on this in chapter 4 (“What's Wrong with Killing?”) of Singer’s Practical Ethics , if you’re interested.

What’s the difference between an anesthetized animal and a plant? We literally call brain dead mammals “vegetables”.

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Post by sixstringtheory »

hedora wrote: post #655
hans-moleman wrote: post #464

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BBQ Pepsi Burgers. The future is beautiful.

Oh god. I’ve seen the future. That reminds me of a certain college campus food service that signed an exclusive contract with Coke. Coke brand milk. Coke brand grade D but edible meat (we found the box in the dumpster). Hell, they even f———ed up the soft drinks because they had hyper-optimized machines that mixed corn syrup, citric acid, flavor, co2 and water on site. The mix, and therefore PH, was frequently so far…

> machines that mixed corn syrup, citric acid, flavor, co2 and water on site

This is how all fountain drinks work. Concentrate, water and pressurized CO2 canisters.

> Coke brand milk.

Well, it’s a drink company...

> Coke brand grade D but edible meat

Hard nope from me. At any grade.

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Post by esperent »

mikepurvis wrote: post #34
DamnYuppie wrote: post #27

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I truly don't understand the methane issue. Historically worldwide the # of ungulates is probably well below historical averages. It looks like today we have around 98 million head of cattle in the US. Historically we had bison in excess of conservatively 60 million. This doesn't even begin to count all the animals in Africa. Overall wide life is declining. https://www.statista.com/statistics/194297/total-number-of-c…

> large mammal farts going on now is probably not that much higher than it always has been I believe a big part of it has to do with the feedlot diet— when they're eating a high-calorie diet of mostly corn/grain instead of their natural diet of grass, it puts their digestive system into overdrive. EDIT: I looked into it a bit more after posting this, and it looks like it's not clear-cut— for example, it takes a cow a…

> for example, it takes a cow a lot longer to reach slaughter weight eating grass, so even if they're belching less during that time, it's a long enough time that it may be a wash, or even worse

For that cow, yes. However, the entire herd will reach slaughter faster on a high calorie diet, there's greater turnover in the herd and more methane gets produced for a smaller number of total cows.

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Post by wyre »

core-questions wrote: post #525
dopidop wrote: post #435

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> as someone who doesn't anthropomorphize them it's easy to simply not care whatsoever about their emotional state. It doesn't noticeably impact the quality of the meat You haven’t kill much, didn’t you? Otherwise you will know that stress and the way you kill the creature change it’s taste. Depending on what you are killing, it can be a dramatic change.

> You haven’t kill much, didn’t you? A few things. Mostly fish. Mostly from lack of opportunity. I'm all for humane killing where possible, of course!

>humane killing

Please explain how taking away another living, breathing creatures life can be humane.

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Post by gnopgnip »

hammock wrote: post #383
legitster wrote: post #129

I enjoy eating meat and have no plans of going off of it completely. But we eat so much of it as a culture. And when you add up every hot pocket, frozen pizza, slider, hot dog, or chicken nugget, it's hard to argue that most of meat actually being consumed can't be easily substituted. For something healthier and cheaper too! And I know people blast tech companies for focusing too much on making things flashy and cool…

>when you add up every hot pocket, frozen pizza, slider, hot dog, or chicken nugget, it's hard to argue that most of meat actually being consumed can't be easily substituted. For something healthier and cheaper too! Read the labels more closely the next time you eat that hot pocket or frozen sausage pizza. A large number of these products already have "textured vegetable protein" (TVP) or other meat substitute in the…

Using soy protein or other substitutes like this is relatively rare. Hot pockets use real cheese meat. The same is true of most food people buy at grocery stores or restaurants. Even hotdogs are generally either all beef, or a mixture of chicken and pork.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by sixstringtheory »

theNJR wrote: post #445
krrrh wrote: post #421

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I imagine this sentiment is often from seeing documentaries about the worst conditions in farming, and the general cosseting away from life and death that most of us have enjoyed. But the farms and ranches I grew up around, and that I buy most of my meat from, never seem that brutal when I’ve visited them, and the animals seem well cared for and mostly doing their own thing on the pasture most of the time. I wanted t…

The blind enthusiasm for factory meat is concerning. Any farm suggestions?

I know of Polyface Farms in Virginia, used to get whole chickens and cows from them working in some high end restaurants in the area, and they’ll ship to you: https://www.polyfacefarms.com
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