The medium is the message - this chaos is a consequence of the hyper-centralized communication platforms, which are hiding this by pointing the moral finger at their participants to blame and censor them.
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Regardless of your beliefs, today is a sad day for free speech.
By that if you mean 'violent inciting free speech', then yes, sad day for that.
I’m for all speech. Regardless if I agree with it or not. I would rather debate ideas I disagree with rather than they fester underground.
“violent inciting free speech” is a subject take on Trump’s tweets whether you like it or not. I’d rather make that distinction for myself instead of relying on the judgment of some Twitter employee I’ve never met.
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I think the logic isn't that hard. Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally
So Obama, Biden, Bush, et. al. should be banned too for all the completely unnecessary wars/drone strikes that killed civilians?? Or is killing civilians sometimes accepted? This move is entirely political, Twitter should just man up and accept it, instead of insulting our intelligence.
Trump was not banned for his wars/drone strikes that killed civilians (which he increased, BTW: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/trump-afghanistan-middle-... ).
He was banned for inciting violence using Twitter's platform.
I suppose if Trump ordered unlawful drone killings using Twitter, they also may have banned him for that, but Trump used Twitter to control mobs, not drones.
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The environment has changed. Previously theoretic risks are now manifest, demonstrated, and cognizable. Actual riots, insurrection, disruption of government, assaults on law enforcement, damage to government buildings, theft of government property, violence, and deaths, have occurred. The instigator is unrepentent and non-credible in what are at best tepid disavowals. The totality of context has changed. If "he has t…
I agree with the action and disagree with their justification. Because of the weakness of their justification, this could be further gasoline on the fire for his 74 million supporters. I frequently find myself having to argue with said supporters, and I can't argue that this justification makes sense other than to say... well they should have banned him before hand. It feels like they were looking for almost anything…
I’m a Trump supporter who voted for him twice. I condemn what happened in the capital as well as the BLM riots that burned down businesses. I’m okay with both sides being met with gas and rubber bullets. All of trumps supporters aren’t lunatics. I would say the people who stormed the capital are maybe 10% of his support in the type of person who would attack someone over politics.
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#895Is it just my perception, or is their actual justification using the 2 quoted tweets kinda weak? Interpreting his boycott of an event as a call to violence seems like a huge stretch. It seems like they wanted to shoehorn a justification using his 2 latest tweets when the actual reason goes back further.
I sit here dumbfounded at all of this. People believe that Trump saying he won’t be somewhere is inciting violence. I saw conservatives lose their brain with Obama in 2008 (“ODS”) and I lost faith in “the right”. In 2015-2021 I lost whatever faith I had left in “the left” (“TDS”). Its been over four years of ridiculous takes in the media, including social media, and its not funny any more. Political fanaticism seems…
You aren’t alone! My family and friends think I am either a closeted right wing racist, or a secret socialist. I have two friends who, like me, question the party dogma and don’t appreciate being nailed to any particular ideology. In my experience in Oregon about 5% of my family and peers are non-partisan but politically interested and informed.
Welcome to the minority!
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#897This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…
>It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case
Doing so is an advantage if you want to create a display of raw power. The poorer the justification, the better.
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#898this is a slippery slope. not wise imo.
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#899There is something that yesterday happened and will go into history, US is not a democracy, is a country run by Banks and yesterday the second power came into place and without shame exposed their identify: Big Tech. In any other country with political instability the Stock Market would crash. Today another day of unprecedented earnings mainly in Tech. They have the power to censor the most powerful man on Earth, a person that was elected according to the US constitution and laws. We need legislation to break and moderate this companies
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This seems like a very "engineer" response to what went on in that it misses the forest for the trees, and I don't mean that in a derogatory way (I often do it myself), just in a matter-of-fact sort of way. On one hand, I agree with you, the actual content of those tweets is much milder than what he has tweeted before. On the other hand, that absolutely does not matter, at all. 99% of people aren't even going to read…
Using that logic you are banning him because riots happened; Banning him for actions that occurred outside of twitter. Is the beginning where people get banned from social media for being part of a unwanted group. A case could be made for preventing anyone who has gone to jail from being on the platform in the efforts to cutdown on future crime / increase children safety, etc.
Riots didn't "just happen". They happened because Trump held a rally telling his followers the lie that what was going on in the Capitol was stealing the election from him, and to march on the Capitol. His tweets were part of that message. The fact that those two particular tweets were not the most egregious ones he's ever made is pretty irrelevant.