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Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by SQueeeeeL »

tempsy wrote: post #551
myrandomcomment wrote: post #547

It is not just SF, but the whole Bay Area. My power is out now for the 2nd time in 3 days. The first 2pm Friday until 3am Saturday and now since around 3am Sunday until ... well it’s 6pm and no end in sight. The infrastructure is crap here. I was on the edge before, but I am over now. 2 more years so the kid can finish school and we are leaving. While it has been hard managing a team without the ability to have a whi…

...and now Lyft and Uber might be shutting off service in CA this week.

I mean, they won't (because lost revenue). And if they do 10 other major companies will be starting in under a week who are willing to play ball with the gov

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by robotburrito »

pmiller2 wrote: post #771
radicaldreamer wrote: post #530

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Only in the short to medium term... the characteristics which make SF an attractive place to live (just like NYC) are resilient and sticky. If you consider a post-covid world 5 years from now, do you think that SF with it's museums, bars, restaurants, and proximity to nature will be an unattractive place to live? Do you think that remote-first/remote-only companies where the majority of employees are outside of the b…

I don't know about you, but I didn't move to the Bay Area for museums, bars, restaurants, or proximity to nature. I moved because that's where the jobs were (to paraphrase Willie Sutton). While I have grown to like it here, when my company tells us what the salary adjustments will be for moving to other parts of the country, I'm going to start seriously looking for a new home. Granted, it may turn out that my new hom…

I have to imagine if we had software unions we would hear nothing of this "adjustment." My code is worth just as much to the company if I write it in Arizona or San Francisco.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by abakker »

dajohnson89 wrote: post #887
abakker wrote: post #870

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In my early 30s here. All my friends have left, and now we are doing so, too. You are right, IMO. Most of those friends are in tech and plan to move back eventually, but are hoping to score better deals on rent then. For now they live in the mountains and can do some fun solo activities for the next year. For us, we have wanted to leave for several years, but the ability to WFH for my wife actually makes it possible…

How are you able to make more local friends in a less dense location?

It turns out that most of my friends from SF have all left for the same general area, so it became a pretty easy decision for us. Additionally, We are moving to a place where many of our college friends also live, so we are hoping that some of those friendships also rekindle.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by Chris2048 »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #782
thu2111 wrote: post #777

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British people? I'd kill for a local place that regularly served Sunday roast with a Yorkshire pudding. There was one in my city for a while but sadly it was at the edge and they didn't sell enough to keep it up, as such roasts need to be prepared a long way in advance, so you had to pre-order. Always love to grab myself one when I'm in the UK though. Discovered the other day a restaurant that sells afternoon cream t…

I would very much like an English style pub that serves full English in the mornings. In the UK the price point is also very attractive; a meal that lasts you for most of the day for often less than 5 pounds.

Weatherspoons has a nice mixed grill.

That said, that grill, and the traditional English fry-up are pretty unhealthy; I think I'm better off not living near one.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by andreilys »

shadowtree wrote: post #884

Unpopular opinion - if you can simply move or work while traveling as an IC - you are not an essential worker for your company. The big productivity culling is coming, overhiring was so easy, all seemed justified. Careful of marking yourself as replaceable with remote labor. You might not like just how remote management will go :)

As with most generalizations it falls flat when making contact with reality.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by brummm »

megaframe wrote: post #693
ipqk wrote: post #477

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Having worked remotely in central Europe for an SF-based company, the hours really kind of suck.

Yeah I get that, the further east you go the worse it is, and my experience working with Indian coworkers sounds like a nightmare for them. I'm from Portugal so I was thinking of being there, 8am here is 4pm there, and 5pm here is 1am there. I kind of like the idea of having my morning to myself, and working in the evening. With lock down that's been my work schedule now. I do exercise, chores, and cooking in the mor…

These things sound good in isolation, but everybody else is on a different schedule from you, so it is isolating after a while.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by samename »

shadowtree wrote: post #884

Unpopular opinion - if you can simply move or work while traveling as an IC - you are not an essential worker for your company. The big productivity culling is coming, overhiring was so easy, all seemed justified. Careful of marking yourself as replaceable with remote labor. You might not like just how remote management will go :)

This ignores all the companies that were operating fully remote before this.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by fragmede »

01100011 wrote: post #439
bamboozled wrote: post #40

Have others noticed this kind of "revolt against cities" attitude lately too? I do wonder if people consider the huge advantages city living can provide? I'm reading constantly that current dream is buying a plot of land in the middle no where, signing up for StarLink and growing watermelons while trying to work a full time engineering job. The thing is though, this is all just a temporary thing, even if this pandemi…

Why would I want to live in a city and compete with the best of the best? I don't want my kids to go to a top school in an urban environment. I want them to do well in an above-average suburban school and have access to recreational activities outside the city. I want to live an affordable life that allows me to save and build wealth. I want a good work/life balance. I don't see the city providing me any of that. The…

Who's competing? Stack rank firing went out in the 90's. Part of being the best I can be involves surrounding myself with the smartest people I can find. I don't want to be the smartest person in the room, and I find I learn more working alongside the best of the best, even (especially) if I'm the dumbest person there.

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by JSavageOne »

shadowtree wrote: post #884

Unpopular opinion - if you can simply move or work while traveling as an IC - you are not an essential worker for your company. The big productivity culling is coming, overhiring was so easy, all seemed justified. Careful of marking yourself as replaceable with remote labor. You might not like just how remote management will go :)

By that logic, who is an essential worker then?

Re: Remote work is reshaping San Francisco, as tech workers flee and rents fall

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Post by andreilys »

SQueeeeeL wrote: post #891
tempsy wrote: post #551

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...and now Lyft and Uber might be shutting off service in CA this week.

I mean, they won't (because lost revenue). And if they do 10 other major companies will be starting in under a week who are willing to play ball with the gov

How will those 10 other major companies make money when both Uber and Lyft have been deeply unprofitable?
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