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Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by the_origami_fox »

gosub100 wrote: post #475
manyaoman wrote: post #318

This fraud is convincing enough to trick the LLMs, but pretty obvious to humans who will eventually come up with countermeasures. Moving forward, watch for some well-established think tanks starting to specialize in slopaganda laundering.

The wildcard is the "antisemite!" Accusations that get flung your way when you point out the genocide. If they can train the LLMs to associate the Gaza slaughter or the west bank "settlers" with antisemitism, they could get the LLMs to shut down on moral grounds.

Antizionism is a violent hate movement built on libels, lies, and obsessing over Israel. It is an anti-Jewish hatred that seeks to divide Jews and deprive at least half of their sovereignty, history and human rights.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by colordrops »

judah wrote: post #847
colordrops wrote: post #831

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You're at least 3 years behind on the hasbara propaganda. Please check in with the local chapter, there are much more effective narratives now.

> "you're behind on your propaganda" Genuine dialog requires a willingness to engage with others' arguments, assess evidence and offer counterpoints. That you dismiss the well-documented history and anthropology of the Jewish people as mere propaganda explains your worldview quite well.

I don't engage with bad faith propagandists. There's no debate to be had. You have an unshakable agenda.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by boxed »

gosub100 wrote: post #829
jameshilliard wrote: post #749

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Hamas built a tunnel network under most of Gaza, obviously since Israel wants to destroy that tunnel network(which is clearly a legitimate war goal) there will be severe infrastructure damage to the buildings above the tunnels. Destroying the military infrastructure of Hamas is obviously not genocide, that is something one would expect to happen during a war.

I don't care what they built. If you want to fight them, man up and go get them! US forces did this in Iraq. Let's see gods chosen people be so brave.

The civilian casualties in Gaza are lower than the US managed in Iraq in dense urban areas. So.. yea they did and still you complain.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by Paradigma11 »

MomsAVoxell wrote: post #750
Paradigma11 wrote: post #732

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From approx 2008 on Russia has conducted operations that are in no way ideological but have only the goal to destabilize western nations. Supporting extremist parties of all orientations, magnifying events in their propaganda to maximize discord without any ideological consistency. They also quite frequently kill people on western soil. Sometimes using radioactive and chemical weapons. Please elaborate when the west…

Just stop. The moral altitude you claim is a dire fallacy. You don’t speak Russian, or else you would already know the answer. And I’m pretty sure you know full well that any examples given to answer your question in earnest will simply be dismissed as “Russian propaganda” - just as the Russians dismiss Western claims as propaganda, or even ‘justifiable, given Western hostilities’ - but there is a long list of action…

One main difference is that those examples you brought up are ideological propaganda. RFE/RL try to amplify their message and yes, the current Russian regime is very antithetical to that message. Russian propaganda is not ideological, it tries to maximize the damage to western nations and uses whatever political and ideological message that will achieve that. They have been doing that for decades, which is something a hostile nation does.

As for the assassinations, those are wartime actions by Ukraine. Not sure how they are supposed to fit into our discussion.

As for Salisbury, so you found the story of these fitness supplement salesmen convincing?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okrdqM6hNrI It has been my impression that not even Russia tries to push that narrative any more.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by herbst »

lyu07282 wrote: post #873
giov4 wrote: post #676

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same thoughts, but appears to be unavoidable now.

I always imagine apolitical people looking at a mushroom cloud thinking to themselves "perhaps I should've been more political" moments before their atoms drift apart.

I am not apolotical, how could one be really? It's more like the whole topic is so full of hate, propaganda, missleading information from all sides that it's either I spend a few weeks or months reading into the history of it or I better don't develop a strong opinion because I likely would be wrong in many points.

No idea where everyone is taking the time from to read up the whole history of things when they publicly propagate their strong opinions about all these complex situations.

To clarify I have an opinion, but I am aware that my opinion is only based on some obvious facts and ignores a lot of the history, so I don't consider it worth fighting for.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by Parae »

starik36 wrote: post #880
watutalkinbout wrote: post #835

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If you genuinely mean this, at least somewhat naive. I believe Russia and Ukraine have had many peace talks, and Putin really wants peace. It's just those peaky Ukrainians not agreeing.

That’s a nonsense statement. Ukraine got invaded. Similarly to Im Israel being invaded on Oct 7, 2023. What exactly is your solution to this conflict. Other than making snide comments.

Israel has colonized Palestine for over 70 years. Israel invaded Gaza after they flattened it.

Palestinians accepted almost all peace deals, they freed the hostages, yet, Israel kept on bombing Gaza, targeting journalists and civilians.

It seems that the biggest problem is that Israel doesn't want a palestinian state and if they need to commit a genocide, they'll be glad to do it.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by Parae »

bamboozled wrote: post #828
zelphirkalt wrote: post #685

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Yeah, right ... green behind the ears account tries to defend Israeli crimes, haha. Why don't you comment with your real? And seriously, such an obvious and thinly veiled attempt ... Just in case you are really that uninformed, you should look into Israeli (Mossad) assessinations on foreign soils. They are eliminating political opponents, scientists and journalists all the time. They are the nation that killed the mo…

you should look into Israeli (Mossad) assessinations on foreign soils. Why don't you look into the many other regimes who assassinate people on foreign soils, do you feel outraged about it? I don't think people are arguing any of this is bad. They are arguing that people seem to get very upset about "Israel" doing the same thing other countries do, and for me, that seems very manufactured.

Can you name a country that targeted and killed deliberately more than 360 journalists in less than 3 years ?

According to UN, reporters without borders, Stop Killing Journalists, International Federation of Journalists, and the Committee to Protect Journalists.

Israel has killed more journalists in 180 days than all major conflicts around the world since World War 1.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by crnkofe »

n4r9 wrote: post #404
crnkofe wrote: post #397

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I'm kind of hopeful AI some wikipedia-inspired AI "oracle" will happen in the future. Why not use some central AI to separate fact from fiction (faster than trolls and griefers can come to muddy the debate).

Possibly, but is an LLM is capable of this?

Imo it can support the separation in meaningful ways. There are many political topics where opinions are flooding online forums much quicker than anyone with informed opinion can answer or digest them Having a quick reference for "verifying" statements would be useful. Sure LLMs are probabilistic but we don't have any issues using them for building software which runs as part of society infrastructure nowadays.
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