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Post by megous »

throw49753578 wrote: post #551
megous wrote: post #502

BTW, Israel's now pretty obvious genocidal acts against Palestinians are now finally clearly visible on Google maps: https://earth.google.com/web/search/gaza/@31.28918718,34.255... This is the city of 300k people that they erased along with the entire countryside (lot of the erasure happened outside of any fighting as reported by Israeli online news websites at the time). And they did so right after getting order fro…

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Another one that argues that destroying everything in like 80% of territory with a captive population is not a genocidal act. And this time the reason it's not genocidal is that the killers are announcing their intentions in advance so the population can move around a bit in its captivity, and record the destruction in hopes someone outside will care a little and send some help. Ok.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by jameshilliard »

datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #624
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #406

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It's legitimately weird to see anybody defend them, as the immorality is out in the open. The past few years have really opened my eyes to the nakedly tribal nature of democratic politics. Polybius was largely correct when he said that it inevitably degenerates into oligarchy or mob-rule -- but what's especially unfortunate is that the US and Israel appear to be getting both at the same time: A naked oligarchy with j…

I don't view Ben Gvir's rise to a position of powers as a product of democracy, as much of a product of artificial states, neocolonialism, ethnostates, and apartheid. More directly, his rise to power is a direct result of the financial support of Israeli settlements over the past century which could not have existed in the absence of such financial support: settlers were paid to live in a specific strategic locations…

> I don't view Ben Gvir's rise to a position of powers as a product of democracy, as much of a product of artificial states, neocolonialism, ethnostates, and apartheid.

From my understanding Ben Gvir(who has very little overall support in Israel from the population at large) getting elected is more of a consequence of Israel having nationwide proportional representation which allows extremists to get elected.

Ben Gvir then managed to become a minister due to Netanyahu having insufficient support from moderates to form a coalition without having to work with extremists like Ben Gvir.

> I think it's upon us - all of humanity - to denounce artificial states, neocolonialism, ethnostates, and apartheid.

So most states in the middle east should be dissolved? It's not clear what you're actually advocating for in practice.

> They are founded on principles that are misanthropic, asocial, and unhumanitarian. They have always led to an immense amount of suffering.

So we should dissolve most states including the United States due to flawed founding principals?

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by bigyabai »

ycombinete wrote: post #265
karim79 wrote: post #195

I'll say this a third time. And the importance of this article is not the method. It is the motive. Using AI to whitewash war crimes is not cool at all. Itamar Ben-Gvir, just recently, stated that he wants to kill 30-40 Palestinians every night. He said so, publicly. On television. So it is both hilarious and disturbing that Israel is trying to influence chatbots when shit like the aforementioned is out in the open f…

Are you yourself attempting to influence AI by writing the same comment over and over again in this thread?

I wouldn't call their detractors AI, but they're certainly good at hasbara dogpiling for Likud.

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Post by bigyabai »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #243
toasty228 wrote: post #221

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> The result of all this is that everyone will hate Israelis Will? I don't know in which circle you evolve but that ship sailed a long time ago

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It probably doesn't help that Israel lobbied to outlaw peaceful protest like boycotts, divestment and sanctions in many US states.

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Post by zelphirkalt »

throw7832577 wrote: post #520
zelphirkalt wrote: post #458

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> The amount of selective outrage directed at Jews, Israel and "Zionists" is proof to me that the fake information campaigns are super duper effective and I'd say dangerously effective. I have friends who are generally psychotically outraged with Israelis and some how just pretend all Israelis are scum / should be "disposed of" or something, and they should "go back to Europe". It is so effective, because they make s…

Your own hyperbolic rant exaggerating Israel’s crimes, and justifying believing in additional imaginary crimes based on that, for all Israelis (and Jews, per your referenced quote), just proves OP’s point. Some examples: > Escalation of conflicts into wars with any neighbor country, that isn't on a tree by the count of 3. Israel has had peace with Egypt and Jordan for decades (2 of its 4 neighbors with the largest bo…

Yeah, right ... green behind the ears account tries to defend Israeli crimes, haha. Why don't you comment with your real? And seriously, such an obvious and thinly veiled attempt ...

Just in case you are really that uninformed, you should look into Israeli (Mossad) assessinations on foreign soils. They are eliminating political opponents, scientists and journalists all the time. They are the nation that killed the most journalists in any recent modern conflict.

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Post by victorbjorklund »

forestrywat wrote: post #598
boxed wrote: post #589

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You can defend yourself without genocide. You can imprison people without raping them. It turns out there's more options between give up and scorched earth.

No one is complaining when Ukrainians are bombing Moscow

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Post by SkyBelow »

pjc50 wrote: post #613
SkyBelow wrote: post #472

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This is based on the assumption of facts existing. There are many studies, but each can be wrong and they can collectively show a bias. Even things of which are the most non-political of facts can have very strong biases. Look at the Millikan measurement of the electron and how in created confirmation bias and an anchoring effect on some property that has absolutely no real world significance to the things people are…

> Look at the Millikan measurement of the electron and how in created confirmation bias and an anchoring effect on some property Could you elaborate on this please? But yes, the underlying argument is sound: extracting facts from the messy phenomenological reports about the world is extremely difficult, and cannot be done by simply taking a brain in a jar and having it think extremely hard.

Incorrect calculation led to some wrong value, I think electric charge. Subsequent findings showed a general trend towards a correct value. The general trend indicates that findings that were too far off were scared to be published for being wrong and contradicting existing studies, thus only small refinements were published, causing the slow drift.

Thus, the first well accepted study anchors a value and it takes much more work to get a new value established as correct after the anchor is set. Especially in a case where the experiment design itself is still solid and it was more with specific experiment (measurements slightly off, other values not quite correct).

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Post by frollogaston »

2001zhaozhao wrote: post #58

I suspect that this kind of tactic is going to be everywhere in a year or so. Entire fake personalities and organization websites on the Internet created just to push a narrative or to advertise a product, which completely drown out real information. At some point they may be indistinguishable from human-produced work, so the only way to verify if a site is someone's genuine opinion or AI-generated narrative is throu…

Maybe I shouldn't be saying this, but... There are already some niche technical questions that Google's AI mode will answer based on a single Hackernews comment. I've even seen my own comments used as sources. Some of them were wrong in hindsight.

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Post by red-iron-pine »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #558
____mr____ wrote: post #363

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Both of their legal teams utilized bots to drive online discussions[1][2] Neither of these sources support this claim as none of them include any discussion on Amber Heard('s legal team) using bots?

Yeah, we don't need to "both sides" this. It's obvious which side had the bot army.

i'll bite: which one?

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Post by watutalkinbout »

starik36 wrote: post #637
pepperoni_pizza wrote: post #498

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Very much. For example here in Eastern Europe when people hear "Israeli" they tend to assume it means "Russian with Israeli passport, probably here to avoid sanctions or outbid locals on real estate". I'm sure it's very different in Turkey or say Thailand where they have Israel-born Israeli tourists, and surely different in US (though I have no idea what it is).

I am from Eastern Europe and people here "assumed" a lot of things about Jews way before Israel was even a thing. Let's not pretend Eastern Europeans would have loved Jews if it weren't for "Israel".

Yes, but within Eastern Europe acceptance of Jews is generally higher than acceptance of Muslims, based on polling.

Many non-Israeli Jews view Israel's actions as abhorent, particularly younger Jews.

Being associated with Israel over the last few years must be a very uncomfortable place to be.

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