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Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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Post by danudey »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #482
appplication wrote: post #286

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An acquaintance of mine was accidentally wired about $100k when it was supposed to be $5k. Before it could be reversed, they moved accounts and immediately bought a one way flight out of country. They then changed all socials and handles. They are now ignoring all court documents and are on track to get a default judgement against them. Their rationale? “It’s mine, they owed me this”. They are 100% convinced that the…

> they moved accounts and immediately bought a one way flight out of country To be fair this is smarter than like 95% of white-collar criminals.

The number of people we got to see on TikTok discover that you can write yourself a cheque for $100k and then get access to that money as though it was some kind of infinite money glitch that no one had ever thought of, manufacturing money out of nowhere that no one would try to get back... ridiculous.

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Post by tcp_handshaker »

joshstrange wrote: post #2

Some pretty damning stuff: > OpenAI also instructs new hires on how to avoid scrutiny when they leave Apple. For example, Mr. Tan warns them not to tell Apple that they have taken jobs at OpenAI, so they can stay at Apple as long as they can. > Apple says it discovered a pattern of OpenAI recruits emailing themselves confidential information when leaving Apple, including Tan. > OpenAI apparently used confidential App…

The out of court settlement, OpenAI will pay Apple , with no recognition of guilt... will be in the billions, but 100 times smaller than the business advantages they will get from it.

Its the cost of doing business and OpenAI knowns it.

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Post by tcp_handshaker »

Aurornis wrote: post #753
taurath wrote: post #525

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> This is how you behave when you think you're so much smarter than everyone around you that consequences don't apply to you. Its also how some folks act like when they've done something they morally can't deal with - their subconscious starts throwing all sorts of obvious signs up until they get caught. I presume this was done for a giant pile of cash, stock, and probably a promise that nobody really cares if you sh…

> Its also how some folks act like when they've done something they morally can't deal with I think you’re projecting some other ideas on to this situation. These people weren’t driven by subconscious guilt about being paid a lot which drove them to commit literal crimes, in order to solidify their new high paying job. This doesn’t even make sense. People who do this are just corporate climbers who will use anything…

>>Most likely the opposite: Their new job brought them into a company surrounded by high performers who got their by working hard.

This is just another edition of Google "we only hire the best" with nothing to show for it for 20 years. Were these the high performers, who created the disaster called ChatGPT Work ?

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Post by joe_mamba »

ninjagoo wrote: post #751
joe_mamba wrote: post #152

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>Whenever I leave a company I make sure everything that belongs to the company goes back to them Because you're probably come from a high trust culture where you've been taught reciprocal trust, responsibility and accountability, but there's people coming from low trust environments where exploiting loopholes and scamming everyone outside their inner circle is the norm, and it's the way they learned to get ahead in l…

> Because you're probably come from a high trust culture where you've been taught reciprocal trust, responsibility and accountability, but there's people coming from low trust environments where exploiting loopholes and scamming everyone outside their inner circle is the norm, and it's the way they learned to get ahead in life, from school all the way to work and business. For an adult, I would attribute this more to…

>I've seen individuals

Societies as a collection of all individuals matter more than individual individuals.That's why Japan is the way Japan is and India the way India is.

>Additionally, based on what's going on in the world, I would say that there are very clear signs that a high-trust society is formed when adults with positive behaviors are in power, and a low-trust society is formed when adults with negative behaviors gain power.

Every society on the planet from Japan to North America has its own robber barons that are above the law, the difference is in Taiwan, Japan or Singapore I'm not afraid of getting mugged, broken into or sexually assaulted on the streets at night, or having my bike stolen, and people queue politely and orderly for riding the bus.

And in democracies, the behavior of those elected into power is a direct reflection of that society and its population. Trump didn't make America like that, American people made America's leader be like that. Trump is a reflection of your society that's why he got into power, because people see themselves in him.

Don't blame your leader for how your society looks, blame your society for your leader looks.

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fny wrote: post #864
bigyabai wrote: post #803

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Developers didn't get a choice. It was either "pay for Apple's development services" or "don't publish apps" which isn't a very competitive or fair option when the App Store can arbitrarily reject you.

Of course they did: they could have just chosen to not publish apps which would have crippled iOS. The only reason it feels existential is because developers made a Faustian bargain from the beginnning.

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Post by RyanOD »

discopicante wrote: post #626
taurath wrote: post #525

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> This is how you behave when you think you're so much smarter than everyone around you that consequences don't apply to you. Its also how some folks act like when they've done something they morally can't deal with - their subconscious starts throwing all sorts of obvious signs up until they get caught. I presume this was done for a giant pile of cash, stock, and probably a promise that nobody really cares if you sh…

These were long tenured and valued employees at Apple. They likely already had healthy pile of cash and stock. Maybe it was the environment at OpenAI encouraging this behavior. Or, is this a particular set of skills some/all of the individuals mentioned were already well-practiced at? I hope this case goes to court so we can find out.

Or maybe they are just greedy, terrible human beings.

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Post by hiworld6543 »

redbluered wrote: post #582
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You're a racist. The way to tell between that and factual / culturally-fluent: were you able to any strengths of other cultures? Weaknesses of your own? Or did you go off on an (in this case ill-informed) rant about "they bad"? The way to cure it is a mixture of reading: business books on culture (like Meyer and Hofstede) and NATO ones. Those are places people need to work together, as opposed to woke ideology. Then,…

You do not get to be stupid here.

I can support each statement:

A significant number of cybercrime today is committed by people from the former Soviet Bloc.

A significant number of intellectual property theft is committed by people from East Asia.

A significant number of rape in Europe is committed by people from Southeast Asia.

A significant number of managers here, with roots in India, only hire people with roots in India.

A significant number of forcibly retracted academic papers are by Asians, even in journals with major ownership stakes by the Chinese government. In contrast, a significant number of voluntarily retracted academic papers are by Westerners.

A significant number of Medicare and Medicaid fraud convictions in the past twenty years have been of people from the former Soviet Bloc and Asia.

A significant number of scams defrauding US victims remotely and in person, in the past decade, have been committed by crime rings out of West Africa, Western Europe, and Eastern Europe.

That’s not racist. It is unfortunate reality.

If you blindly hire employees without regard to their cultural background, which includes ethnic origin and national identities, even religious beliefs, you are doing a disservice to your organization and your hires.

These former Apple employees were set up to fail by multiple layers of management that did nothing to curb theft, instill loyalty, and train these people that Asian beliefs about intellectual property are considered disloyalty here.

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Post by breppp »

Henchman21 wrote: post #876
breppp wrote: post #859

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This is simply the new "Poor people are evil" which was popular for some time. When these kind of generalizations sound like they are flattening any resemblance of reality, it is because they are

There was no evidence for “poor people are evil”. But there’s ample evidence for “rich people are evil”. What makes a person think they deserve more than another? What makes a person ignore laws and norms to make a buck? At the expense of others? Evil . Yes it’s fashionable. Doesn’t make it untrue.

> There was no evidence for “poor people are evil”.

Most thieves, murderers, etc were poor, they weren't? Then they were explained as special cases.

When you come with a premade conclusion based on ideology it is usually very easy to find "proofs".

Think it a different way, most of the people reading this forum are at the world's top 1%. I venture to guess you as well, are you evil for hoarding all that cash? Was your 9-5 work epitome of evil?

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Post by hiworld6543 »

paradoxyl wrote: post #551
joshstrange wrote: post #2

Some pretty damning stuff: > OpenAI also instructs new hires on how to avoid scrutiny when they leave Apple. For example, Mr. Tan warns them not to tell Apple that they have taken jobs at OpenAI, so they can stay at Apple as long as they can. > Apple says it discovered a pattern of OpenAI recruits emailing themselves confidential information when leaving Apple, including Tan. > OpenAI apparently used confidential App…

Companies take cultural cues from leadership. When you have a puffed-up sociopath who has never accomplished anything but lying his way to the top, this is what you get. I'm both infuriated and worried that such a flim-flam man has put himself at the center of the U.S. stock market.

Correct.

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Post by joe_mamba »

mr_toad wrote: post #680
swiftcoder wrote: post #565

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I don't know, the very same comment mentions that the person was earning 6 figures. Less-than-a-year's-salary is definitely a weird thing to throw a comfortable 6 figure income out the window for - it's not like 95k is "never work a day in your life" money.

People can earn six figures and still be living paycheque to paycheque, and up to their ears in debt.

If you're so financially fucked that you can't live on 100k/year then you're still be fucked even with an illicitly obtained extra 95k.

Crazy how many people try to find excuses for crime. There's people living on fractions of that that don't commit crime. No, income is no excuse.

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