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Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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Post by throwaway-11-1 »

perfmode wrote: post #789

Reading through this thread is disturbing not because people disagree, but because of how the disagreement is happening. What I'm seeing is a breakdown in the ability to hold consistent principles across contexts. The same people who condemned Russian actions in Ukraine are now making "realpolitik" arguments about Venezuela. The same people who claim to oppose foreign intervention are now calculating whether this was…

The US is completely cooked man, the right has fully committed to mashing the gas pedal towards fossil fueled 'based' racist authoritarianism while the so-called-left is writing strongly worded op-eds. Even if Dems win again, they've proven to be way too cowardly to fix anything, this democracy is 100% done. Personally I just hope California is able to secede and do a Nordic Model before the entire country becomes Cormac McCarthy's The Road, but I'm pretty doubtful anything good can ever happen here. Good luck everyone.

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Post by 8note »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #443

"Venezuelan allies Russia, Cuba and Iran were quick to condemn the strikes as a violation of sovereignty." Right, Russia, who has been attacking Ukraine not just for one night, but for four years , is now going to lecture the US about violations of sovereignty. Their moral high ground, if they ever had any, is long gone. I'm not sad if Maduro's gone. I'm even less sad if this results in actual freedom for Venezuela a…

russia doesnt need moral high ground to be correct.

its not like the US is now banned from supporting ukraine just because they overthrew the Iraqi government and created a migrant crisis in europe.

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Post by ManuelKiessling »

A boy receives a horse as a gift. Villagers say, "How wonderful!"

The Zen master replies, "We'll see".

The boy falls while riding the horse, breaks his leg. Villagers say, "How terrible!"

The master says, "We'll see".

War comes, all young men are drafted, but the boy is spared due to his leg. Villagers say, "How lucky!"

The master says, "We'll see".

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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Post by 8note »

russellbeattie wrote: post #759

So many people in the comments arguing as if the U.S. government made a rational decision based on specified goals and policies. Trump is a pathological narcissist and sociopath. He admires dictators like Putin and wanted to emulate his invasion of Ukraine. Stephen Miller is pure evil, and Hegseth is a fool, so they came up with a pretext to attack Venezuela. All of this conveniently distracts from the Epstein files.…

there are other people behind these decisions proposing them to trump as options, and its following the current US strategic plan about militarily dominating the americas.

its gonna be some other central and south american countries next like panama, the on to conquering greenland from the danes and greenlanders, then canada

there is a rationale, even if you dont like it

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Post by dzonga »

robomartin wrote: post #831

The reaction on HN to what just happened in Venezuela is exhausting and revealing. People who have never lived under socialism, communism, dictatorship, or military rule speak with total confidence while dismissing those who have. More than 8 million Venezuelans have fled their country, one of the largest forced migrations in modern history. They are celebrating. You are being critical. That alone should give pause.…

yeah might is right. if you wanna bully citizens like dictators do - now they fear some big bully might come snatch them in the middle of the night like bully does to its citizens

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Post by dang »

ofalkaed wrote: post #345

I just spent way too much time reading through this thread looking for a single post more concerned about Venezuela and its people than the poster's own politics. I gave up when I noticed I was only a 1/4 of the way through thread, should have started from the bottom.

I hear you, but it takes time for these threads to play out.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46479679 is the fourth-highest subthread now, and (not sure whether they meet your criteria but) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46476455 is the second-highest, and yours is the fifth-highest but would be higher except that we downweight the meta aspect [1].

One thing to keep in mind is that reflexive comments always show up first, because they're the quickest responses to feel, to write, and to post. Reflective and thoughtful comments—such as ones that express concern for people, as you were wanting to see—are slower to arise, take more time to write, and therefore are slower to show up in threads [2].

[1] not because of the content but because meta always draws excessive attention - see https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... and https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... for explanations if curious

[2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

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Post by yibg »

boramalper wrote: post #344

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Regardless of your opinion on Maduro, you can still acknowledge that the head of a sovereign state being captured in an unannounced/unnamed military operation by a superpower is wrong from a principled standpoint, and that it’s destabilising a country with 30+ million people if not the entire region.

There are also reports of 40 something people killed. Doesn't that amount to basically (mass) murder? There is no declaration of war, so you can't really call them civilian casualties.

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Post by pyuser583 »

jacquesm wrote: post #311

It's funny how many people already see this as a book that is opened and closed on the same day. That's not how these things work. This is like the first stone of an avalanche. It could stop here, or it could roll on for quite a while. It will take months or even years to know whether or not the outcome here was desirable or not and what the final tally is. Remember the 'Arab spring' and what came after.

Yeah I remember Occupy protesters. I got trapped in a gaggle of them shouting “Tahir Square!” again and again. I literally lost hearing in one of my ears.

It never really recovered. Probably need a hearing aid, but I can just use the other one.

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