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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by johnnyanmac »

abustamam wrote: post #615
sega_sai wrote: post #78

As a person who lived in the States for a bit, and listened to a lot of news, I remember always this almost fawning over the Founding Fathers, checks and balances and great American constitution. It is remarkable, how easy it all goes, and most people don't do anything (i.e. out of 100 top law firms, only a handful joined the lawsuit against the government, etc.)

As an American born to immigrants, I love the vision of the founding fathers, but I don't understand why they are so revered by some. They were slave owners who, at the time, had some pretty radical ideas for how to run a country. Some ideas were great and stood the test of time, and some were terrible and required amendments. We can't solve today's problems by thinking like dudes from the 1700s.

At the same time, some ideas were great but scales of economy and population ruined them. e.g. The house of represenatives should probably number over 1000 today to properly work as structured in the founding papers. But we somewhat arbitrarily capped it at 435 100 years ago. now while that's way too many people per rep, most political scientists don't really suggest that we should have 1200 reps in the House. proposals end up more around 700.

some reverence may simply be patriotism. I suppose it's no different than any other kinds of celebrity style of worship. people like a role model.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

facile3232 wrote: post #509
esalman wrote: post #485

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As far as I can see nobody is sticking by the F1 students who are being deported.

The deportations are just flashy cruelty to obscure everything else.

I think it's more of a typical tactic by authoritarian countries to do some high profile arrests with no recourse to strike fear into everyone's hearts that the same can happen to them and they'll have no recourse; which Ivy League grad students or faculty are going to join protests now?

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Post by insane_dreamer »

al_borland wrote: post #360
esalman wrote: post #184

It started with the Free Palestine protesters. Tesla protesters are next. Citizens will be shipped to El Salvador, non-citizens to where they came from.

What many of them are doing isn’t a legally protected form of protesting. Free Palestine protesters have been shutting down roads with their protests, this is illegal. Tesla protesters are vandalizing the vehicles of private citizens and burning down dealerships. This is also illegal, and due to its political goals, it seems to fit the textbook definition of terrorism. > the calculated use of violence (or the threat…

> Free Palestine protesters have been shutting down roads with their protests, this is illegal.

Yeah, and so? Is shutting down roads a "threat to US national security" and therefore warranting arrest without due process and green card revocation? The protesters should be charged with whatever city laws (certainly it's not a federal offense) they broke, and fined or whatever.

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Post by knowaveragejoe »

linktraveler wrote: post #438
knowaveragejoe wrote: post #409

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> You can't deny this has been the most effective first 100 days in decades. That upsets you. This is what we voted for. A circus isn't effective, but it's entertaining at least.

I don't deny the circus. Establishing Government (perplexity): "No president has moved faster than Donald Trump in 2024 to appoint Cabinet members and agency heads. By November 23, 2024, just over two weeks after Election Day, Trump had announced nominees for all 15 executive agencies, far outpacing his first term and other recent presidents like Barack Obama and Joe Biden, who took nearly 40 days to reach similar mi…

Doing lots of things fast is not the same as being effective.

I want prices to be lower. An immigration crackdown and tariff threats seem contradictory to this purpose.

DOGE's numbers are extremely optimistic. I have not seen anything substantiating them anywhere near $260B. Realistic estimates put in the range of $10B. Worth the chaos and destruction of institutions that exist to help ensure our way of life?

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Post by lobsterthief »

al_borland wrote: post #360
esalman wrote: post #184

It started with the Free Palestine protesters. Tesla protesters are next. Citizens will be shipped to El Salvador, non-citizens to where they came from.

What many of them are doing isn’t a legally protected form of protesting. Free Palestine protesters have been shutting down roads with their protests, this is illegal. Tesla protesters are vandalizing the vehicles of private citizens and burning down dealerships. This is also illegal, and due to its political goals, it seems to fit the textbook definition of terrorism. > the calculated use of violence (or the threat…

Most Tesla protests have been peaceful. There have been THOUSANDS of them the past few months in cities across the US. You’re cherry-picking the violent ones that get much louder reporting.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

seek wrote: post #530

> In a $10 billion lawsuit against 60 Minutes and its parent Paramount, Trump claims they selectively edited an interview with former Vice President Kamala Harris prior to the 2024 election. The TV news show last month published transcripts of the interview at the heart of the dispute, but Paramount is reportedly considering a settlement to avoid potentially damaging its chances of winning the administration’s approv…

Unless a lawsuit is settled with either a ruling or an admission of guilt in a settlement, it is a "claim".

It's the same reason news articles always use "alleged".

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

slg wrote: post #832
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #817

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I'm not a free-speech absolutist but I've met some. Generally, I've only ever encountered discussion of free speech to be in regards to one's rights to voice their beliefs, opinions, and criticisms. That usually will apply to defamation (but with the right of the defamed party to sue, especially if the claims are false). There's probably some division about where threats cross from speech into violence, especially as…

>I don't think even free-speech absolutists apply it to a general right to share any arbitrary information, such as... intimate recordings of people taken without consent Does sharing a non-intimate recording of someone count as speech? Can the government make it illegal for me to share a photo that a government official thinks makes them look ugly? What about a photo of an official committing a crime? What if that p…

Keep in mind that in my comment, I said that free speech generally is about protecting the expression of "beliefs, opinions, and criticisms", and you'd still be open to legal action by harmed parties if you defame them. So I think we can pretty reasonably answer your questions from that standpoint, with the fairly non-controversial addendum that airing incriminating photographs within a courtroom setting would certainly be protected speech.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

aredox wrote: post #767
al_borland wrote: post #721

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That was also wrong and I thought it was horrible.

And then? In the end, who did you vote for? The attorney or the coupist?

They were rounded up, given due process, and locked away.

The coupist then got elected and freed his minions. The coupist is not giving the same dignity to these protesters, or even some american citizens who just look brown.

What's your point here?

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Post by johnnyanmac »

zmgsabst wrote: post #359
_yrnr wrote: post #314

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> Ps does HN offer the capability of completely deleting the account and all of the comments ? They claim to allow deleting the account (just the name, they keep the comments up), but in practice they ignore requests. Source: personal experience.

Is that even legal for a CA based company?

Not as of 2018 with the CCPA: https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa#sectiond

they have 45 days to respond and another 45 days to delete the info.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

qiqitori wrote: post #605
vasco wrote: post #398

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You can demand it under gdpr right to be forgotten and see where that gets you. Even being a US site they have to be compliant for EU users.

Comments are not personal data. You can't publish a book and then GDPR your publisher to stop publishing it.

They are personal data, and it's not a commercialized one (the main point of GDPR). I see no reason you cannot delete your own public comments, at least on the primary site.
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