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Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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The cloud is just someone else’s computer. If you really, really care about privacy, self host.

For those to whom that sounds scary: buy a regular consumer NAS. They run quite a few applications nowadays (besides being file storage as a base feature) and are meant to be setuppable by an average person

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Furthermore, one UK head of state call everyone supporting encryption pedophiles https://x.com/BenWallace70/status/1892972120818299199

> one UK head of state What on earth are you talking about? Charles III is head of state, and before that, Liz II. The monarch absolutely does not get involved in politics.

>> The monarch absolutely does not get involved in politics.

The monarch picks the Prime Minister, no? That seems pretty involved.

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What is going on in the UK? How do they stand for this?

Irrespective of political leanings, a lot of British people are saying this. They stand for it because they have to. It's a government that was voted in by a large margin only six months ago. Disquiet, if that's the word, is pretty much universal and I am not sure we've been quite in this position before. Keir Starmer's decline in approval ratings 'marks the most substantial post-election fall for any British prime m…

Did Starmer run on this big brother type platform?

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That actually shows they understand and care because they don't want the law to apply to them. They don't care about its effects on other people.

No, it shows they're thinking of computers like they think of police officers. Computer literacy 101: to err is human, to really foul up requires a computer. They don't understand that by requiring the capability for going after domestic criminals, they've given a huge gift to their international adversaries' intelligence agencies. (And given this is about a computer vulnerability, "international adversaries" include…

They understand. Signal Foundation's president, Meredith Whittaker, among many other tech leaders, have made it abundantly clear to both the UK and the EU.

https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/21/meredith-whittaker-reaffir...

If politicians don't understand after such campaigning, it's a choice in willful ignorance, not bad computer literacy.

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Fake privacy experts like Caro Robson need to be held accountable.

I often notice journalistic pieces interview people and then use maybe 30 seconds' worth of material from a 20-minute interview. The "expert" could have condemned it in any number of ways until the topic of applying data protection laws came up and she said that companies need to be held accountable (could be about GDPR, could be about snooping laws) which the journalist then quoted, not out of malice but because eve…

Assuming you’ve framed it fairly, that’s a pretty atrocious point of view for someone calling themselves a privacy expert to hold. A privacy expert should know that backdoors are dangerous to privacy even if you trust the people who are supposed to have the keys.

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As a British citizen I am amazed at how much the government has invaded our privacy. I think it started after 9/11 when they first introduced terrorism laws and saw they could get away with it. I wonder if the ruling classes are nervous, given the state and direction of our economy and the inequality, as well as the iron grip a small part of the country has maintained on society. They are perhaps making preparations for a class revolt.

Having said that, in practice to date the extraordinary powers the government has acquired are rarely used, eg to quell the race riots last year. It feels more like a risk for the future and that makes it harder to argue against now. One day this will hit the fan.

I’m very curious, however, to see Americans criticise our government for its (mostly theoretical) overreach, whilst simultaneously the constitution of America is being torn to shreds by the actions of Musk and Trump, with some in the tech community even cheering on DOGE.

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It's not literacy. They don't care. They need control, and if establishing control means increased risks for you, it's not something they see as a negative factor. It's your problem, not theirs.

The government put in restrictions against using certain powers in the Investigatory Powers Act to spy on members of parliament (unless the Prime Minister says so, section 26), so I think they're just oblivious to the risk model of "when hackers are involved, the computer isn't capable of knowing the order wasn't legal". https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2016/25/section/26

Absolutely not, MPs are not too stupid to process the concept of “a back door is a back door” they simply want this power and do not care about security or privacy if non-MPs. Everyone who voted for this needs to be thrown out of politics, but that will obviously not happen.

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So many questions around this that need answering, such as: 1. What happens if I have ADP enabled and then visit the UK? Will photos I take there still be E2E encrypted? If not, will I be notified? I realize that at the moment the answer is yes, that for now, they are only disabling ADP enrollment. But they are planning to turn it off for everyone in the UK in the future. So what happens then? 2. If they make an exce…

These are important questions, particularly 2 because even a layover in London or Dublin puts you under UK jurisdiction. So now you have to put that into account when traveling.

The precedent here is China. I spent a few days in China and, as far as I know, my region is still and ADP is still active.

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Presumably these keys live in a hardware security module on your phone called “secure enclave” and cannot be extracted

From the Advanced Data Protection whitepaper [0], it appears the keys are stored in the iCloud Keychain domain, so not the Secure Enclave: > Conceptually, Advanced Data Protection is simple: All CloudKit Service keys that were generated on device and later uploaded to the available-after-authentication iCloud Hardware Security Modules (HSMs) in Apple data centers are deleted from those HSMs and instead kept entirely…

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China feels like an important difference here though. Google leaving China doesn't protect Chinese citizen's data any more than Apple turning off ADP in the UK does. As far as I know, Apple isn't pretending that the data of Chinese users is encrypted from their government, and the way they're complying with the Chinese laws shouldn't impact the security of users outside of China. Apple pulling ADP from UK users is si…

> Would you have been more satisfied if Apple just pulled out of the UK entirely? Bricked every iPhone ever purchased there? The request/law would be rolled back in minutes in that case. They wouldn't dare though. (wouldn't even have to be bricking - just disable services like icloud)

Apple has 40 retail stores in the UK with thousands of employees. They have a big new HQ in London where they have engineering, etc there.

I cannot see Apple completely shutting down in the UK, firing thousands of staff, selling off any property, and cancelling leases, just for a week long bargaining chip.

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