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Re: Young people are flocking to astrology

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Post by machina_ex_deus »

rcme wrote: post #427
varjag wrote: post #345

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There is no qualitative difference between belief in astrology and any of the world's religions. Not saying you're not entitled in disregarding astrology believers but the cut-off point is completely arbitrary and dare I say irrational.

How is believing in religion rational?

My somewhat mathematical point of view is that I can accept adjoining independent but weird axioms into your axiom set, but I can't accept running around with a formal system that has already reached a logical contradiction or that doesn't even use inference from axioms as its basis.

Re: Young people are flocking to astrology

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

permo-w wrote: post #376
pyinstallwoes wrote: post #316

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"I think the easy way to look at this is that a certain segment of society will always want to believe in something beyond the observable world" So nearly every scientist that is known for introducing a paradigm shift in history? Most often these scientists or inventors do not have something in the observable world, they rely on their imagination and spark of intuition to craft their way towards a representation in t…

I agree and I'd edit my comment to include this if I still could. who knows what more there is in the world beyond our senses. actual reality is not observable

Appreciate the candor, kudos.

Re: Young people are flocking to astrology

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

defrost wrote: post #320
pyinstallwoes wrote: post #296

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But they're exposed to the alignment of the celestial spheres in relation to the Earth the same way. Imagine if the celestial spheres have a particular electromagnetic relationship with the Earth, this dynamic nature is a type of 'song' if you will. That song becomes imprinted. That's one way I've come to understand these views. Then you actually have some semi-modern approaches to the music of the celestial spheres…

> Imagine if the celestial spheres have a particular electromagnetic relationship with the Earth The kind that falls away with square of the distance, where Saturn is far enough away that light takes > hour to travel? This is very much a [ ... ] and so astrology argument. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98Ya3F6jVFM

No, the kind that fills up the entire universe with filaments.

Literally the universal Indra's net:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birkeland_current

Re: Young people are flocking to astrology

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

bombolo wrote: post #385
pyinstallwoes wrote: post #293

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If it makes them happy what's it matter?

Like any religion, they push it on you.

I've found political agendas to be much more of an aggressive nature, liberals, conservatives, vegans, they tend to push a lot more than your religious folk. In fact I've found most religious folk to have a sense of reservation and wisdom that understands not everyone will see the same way.

I guess there's variance like any other thing.

Re: Young people are flocking to astrology

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

permo-w wrote: post #412
pyinstallwoes wrote: post #292

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Similarly, there is evidence and research which demonstrates the evidence that someone's name has pre-determined effects on that persons life; especially in the case of their career or what they are known for. Most surprisingly, even on the account that the individual didn't realize it until being told what their name meant!

I feel like this is much more likely a correlation than a causation. if your name is some middle to upper class fare like Alfie or Penelope, then I can mystically predict you an financially comfortable life from here on in. however, if your name is Deniqua or or Tyler, well my crystal balls have bad news for you

You'd think it's a correlation rather than causation but the research looking into it finds it to be probabilistically much more than a correlation, especially concerning the fact that individuals have been shown to be unaware of the nature of their name and their career path. It's an interesting study.

It has a lot more to do with the surname or what acts as the surname, as various cultures have it in different places.

Re: Young people are flocking to astrology

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Post by KingShabibo »

nprateem wrote: post #66

I had an argument with a girl the other day who was adamant she wanted to know my star sign. I said "you tell me" and after 10 guesses I finally told her. She then went on to tell me what I must like etc - most of which was complete bollocks obviously. I told her her beliefs were akin to racism. Just because of when I was born she thought it was acceptable not to bother to treat me as an individual but as automatical…

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Re: Young people are flocking to astrology

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Post by jncfhnb »

DriverDaily wrote: post #880
jncfhnb wrote: post #857

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They’re not supposed to be the same thing. You would not expect them to have super high correlations Even if the tests were perfect.

I was repsonding to this > It's notable that MBTI is fairly correlated with the FFM Sounds like we agree this statement is false

Those are honestly pretty high correlations for something like this. High is subjective of course. I feel like the question you want to ask is how well can you predict an MBTI score knowing only someone’s FFM.

Well if a correlation value is .7 (squared to .49) then you would expect to guess correctly about 75% of the time with just the univariate relationship (naively assuming that the underlying distribution is 50/50 to begin with, without which we would need to refer to something like a RoC AUC score…).

Re: Young people are flocking to astrology

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Post by machina_ex_deus »

paganel wrote: post #556
machina_ex_deus wrote: post #303

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Speaking of stereotypes, if anyone takes astrology seriously, I automatically assume they are not intelligent, irrational, and I find it impossible to take them seriously. I consider them beyond reason so I don't even try. If a person's logic and epistemology lead to him believing in astrology, it shows a deeper problem and I don't hope to have an intelligent discussion with them any more than I expect to have an int…

> I automatically assume they are not intelligent, irrational, You sound like a Taurus. Let people enjoy things, the general socio-economic situation is already as shitty as one could imagine, asking people to be rational 100% of the time, with no beliefs, no nothing, is just a sign of socio-economic privilege.

Another failed prediction for the astrology here.

Not the it's going to shake your beliefs in it. That's our difference I guess. When I'm wrong it's something I strive to fix, but when you're wrong, what do you do?

So believing random wrong things is something you do because you enjoy it? I believe things because I think they might be true, and you believe things because you enjoy believing them ?

What an alien (to me) epistemology.

So what do I need to do, convince you that thinking rationally is even more fun? Try reading Harry Potter and the methods of rationality.

Or doing math.

And how is socio economic related to this?

You're ironically just proving me right.

Re: Young people are flocking to astrology

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Post by tsol »

mise_en_place wrote: post #81
figital wrote: post #63

There are epigenetic markers which can identify the season or perhaps even month you were born. If you might think there is a link between personality and birth order and that perhaps metaphor is useful in storytelling or group dynamics … then one could loosely link these concepts together and consider it more than something like a party trick.

Indians often do this with marriages, by checking the astrological compatibility. All of it honestly seemed like bs to me, if anything it’s job security for so-called soothsayers and astrologers, who have been grifting generations of families

Indians? This is sort of like saying "many Americans pray to Jesus". Hindus are the ones that believe in astrology-- the majority religion among dozens.
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