Why in the world does anyone want another carrier standard? What do the carriers want? Who. Cares.
Say absolutely NO to any standard that requires carrier implementation.
“It’s time for Apple to fix texting”
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#882Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There are many reasons many IT folks actually prefer an iPhone over Android. The two biggest ones are privacy and security. I've been downvoted to hell for it before, but I'll add mine to this list because I don't _think_ it's all that uncommon either: I don't want another PC to administer and support. I've had a lot of Android phones over the years (started with the ADP1!). Taking my last one as an example--it sto…
The big difference between a toaster and your phone is that the phone gets updates. Which, aside from fixing things, also do stuff like change UI. On Android, when Google comes up with some new inane idea for the launcher, I can at least install a different one. On iOS, when Apple does the same, I don't really have a choice other than to go along with it.
The more important difference between my phone and my (non-existent) toaster is, that the toaster won't be connected to any networks (beside the wall-power outlet). While the phone is connected to various outside networks and has a generic computer inside.
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#883Earlier quoted context omitted.
I hear you believe me. But in the past five years, I have received so much call spam that I just don't answer my phone anymore. Imagine that, the primary use of a phone and it's all cocked up. Imagine what happens to imessages if they leave it open. Blame the cretins that spam people.
Sounds like iMessage spam is already a problem (if another poster in this thread is to be believed). Since I'm on Android, I'm stuck using SMS a lot, since most people I know have iPhones. I do get some SMS spam, but not a ton, and most of it is auto-flagged and I never see it. > Blame the cretins that spam people. SMS and voice call spam is actually a solved problem, but carriers have been dragging their feet implem…
> Forcing carriers to implement the required technical measures to stamp out spam... that could actually work.
Another desperately needed measure is enabling law enforcement to actually fight spam at the root: follow the money. When the spammers can't monetize their spam, they won't have any incentive to spam and scam.
Uncooperative countries (e.g. India, just look Mark Rober's Youtube series where he and a bunch of associates track down and prank scam call centers or Turkey which is the German equivalent) should be sanctioned until they are compliant. Letting spammers, scammers and hackers operate in a foreign country unimpeded should be considered an act of war.
Forcing carriers or anyone to implement technological measures (remember the idea to charge people .5 cents to send out emails?) is a worthwhile effort but it's at the core a band-aid at best and the only thing it achieves is to marginally drive up the cost and complexity of service for everyone else while the scammers simply find workarounds.
Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”
#884I still don't get why people use SMS/MMS anyway? I've been using WhatsApp for ages now and so does everybody else in my country - and every country I've been in, apart from China and Japan. My friend who's from the US once said "I've paid for those text messages, so I'm going to use them!" But if I send him a text from Europe to the US, I pay 1 damn euro per delivered text. WhatsApp is free! Is there any viable reaso…
I’d rather skip messaging friends and family altogether than use a service owned and operated by sociopath anti-human Mark Zuckerberg.
Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”
#885Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…
I'd rather live in a world with spam than a world where corporations get to decide what I run on my devices, and cripple a bunch of critical applications if I decide I want to, y'know, actually do whatever I want with the hardware I own. I'm not unsympathetic to Apple's difficulties and goals here (assuming this spam problem is actually the reason, though I'm skeptical that there aren't also self-serving reasons that…
But to be honest you don’t really need to live in the whole world of spam, if that’s your preference then you can just avoid Apple stuff? You live in the best world of choice
Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”
#886Earlier quoted context omitted.
“I am concerned that the iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove and obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones,” Craig Federighi, Apple software senior vice president, wrote in 2013." They'll find another reason not to implement it on other platforms.
Consider whether Apple has changed their position about shipping key functionalities of their platform to non-Apple devices in the decade since then, in light of (for example) their purchase of and continued offerings of Android-friendly Beats products, their beta of Apple Music as a webpage in any browser, and their TV services app spreading to every smart television platform that competes with Apple TVs.
Those other products have their own revenue streams. Apple would not profit from allowing access to iMessage without owning an Apple device.
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#887Oh, it’s the beginning of the horse corpse beating season just before every iPhone launch.
Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”
#888Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…
There are literally emails leaked, that say iMessage is closed, because Apple wants monopoly in this area. Yet in every thread recently someone spreads FUD how without uncle's Apple protection, bad world will hurt you, when reality shows that's nonexistent problem on other platforms.
I’m celebrating the antispam properties of device attestation, not asking anyone to trust Apple. I’m quite upset that Google RCS doesn’t include device attestation. It would have helped us get rid of text spam in carrier messaging, and made a convincing case for adoption by telcos. Imagine being able to block text spam by the equipment sending it. Imagine being able to block phone spam by the equipment calling you. It’s a missed opportunity for Google and for all of us.
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#889Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Note also that iMessage has a crypto backdoor maintained by Apple for the FBI Describing iMessage as having an encryption back door is disingenuous at best. There's no known encryption back doors in iMessage. As far as can be determined iMessage is fully E2EE. There is however a caveat that the unencrypted local messages backed up to iCloud can be turned over to LEAs/governments. This caveat holds for any unencrypt…
> Disabling syncing of Messages with iCloud closes this hole. It does not. The people you iMessage with still have it turned on, because it is on by default, and Apple will get it from those devices instead.
Which is the same as any other E2EE system. Your OpSec is only as good as the worst OpSec as whoever you communicate with. Pretending this is an Apple issue is absurd.
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#890Earlier quoted context omitted.
WhatsApp was appealing before it got sucked into the FB vortex. Thanks, but no thanks. If there were a single 3rd-party messaging platform that I trusted, and my friends started using it, sure. But since 75% use iPhones/iMessage, and the rest SMS, why in the world would I use WhatsApp?
To exchange photos and video with those on Android.
Fairly limited use case for opening myself up to more Meta in my life. I'll pass.