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Microsoft has set up a fully independent data center and business in German just because of this: https://news.microsoft.com/europe/2020/09/30/our-commitment-...
Unfortunately, that didn't exist for us back in 2016, and our product is no longer in development.
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>> Since 2020, it's illegal to send PII (personally identifiable) data to the US because of the removal of the Privacy Shield Framework [ This sounds like some great politicized naming. Removal of the "Privacy Shield" seems to be increasing privacy in this case.
The privacy shield is like a radiation shield or a wind shield.
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Perhaps it's a fragmented internet that is best aligned with our own interests. I, for one, would really like to have more fragments to explore.
For me it's philosophically reminiscent of the Berlin Wall or the Chinese Great Firewall. Personally, my knee-jerk reaction is that it threatens certain freedoms, but I am also a liberal raised with a Western education.
Lucky you.
We need more Western education, not less, which is why fragmentation is a bad thing. My country of birth - in Africa - is aligned with the formerly communist nations; if they had to opt-in to a fragment, it wouldn't have been to the Western one. I might have never been able to emigrate.
Fragmentation seems like a leap backwards in time and a slap in the face of the promise inherent in the free flow of information.
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On the contrary, it only forces those providers to have a European presence. We're not fragmenting the internet by looking after our own interests. This wouldn't be an issue if Americans viewed rights (and in this case privacy rights) as belonging to human being as opposed to Americans citizens. The US's policy is what led to this: > Agencies shall, to the extent consistent with applicable law, ensure that their priv…
> On the contrary, it only forces those providers to have a European presence. It’s interesting to see the pattern here: if you can’t innovate, regulate.
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On the contrary, it only forces those providers to have a European presence. We're not fragmenting the internet by looking after our own interests. This wouldn't be an issue if Americans viewed rights (and in this case privacy rights) as belonging to human being as opposed to Americans citizens. The US's policy is what led to this: > Agencies shall, to the extent consistent with applicable law, ensure that their priv…
the EU is shrinking in importance in terms of the world economy [1] another 20 years and companies simply won't bother with it at all [1]: https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-less-important-world-economy/
I think we (in the EU) will soon realise the bizarre consequences of these regulations. European startups will not be able to use standard SaaS or PaaS tools (like AWS, Azure, Mailchimp, PayPal etc) if they are based in the US (like most of them are). No cloud services, no Office 365 or Google Workspace. It will take forever to build up a similar ecosystem in Europe and I think most successful European entrepreneurs…
On the contrary, it only forces those providers to have a European presence. We're not fragmenting the internet by looking after our own interests. This wouldn't be an issue if Americans viewed rights (and in this case privacy rights) as belonging to human being as opposed to Americans citizens. The US's policy is what led to this: > Agencies shall, to the extent consistent with applicable law, ensure that their priv…
If the EU has this much power to regulate operations that happen in America, then imagine how much worse it's going to be if you relocate your operations to the EU? In that case you actually become one of their subjects, rather than simply recording information about their subjects.
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Sure, so, let's say that France decides that HN info is PII. So then Hacker News has to launch servers in France. And then French HN users are in an island, and only see other French HN users' posts and comments. And, to be clear, you think that's a good thing?
To be clear, you are underestimating the population size of European countries, as if would be a drama to lose HN or simply fork it. I love hackernews, but there’s way more world out there to discover. This is protecting EU citizens from EEUU companies having a free lunch on their data.
I enjoy communicating with all HN users, across the world.
If we each had to use only our own country's fork of HN, we wouldn't communicate with each other, and that would be a bad thing.
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Why limit it to the EU? Shouldn't every country have their own AWS, Azure and Google Cloud? I think we underestimate just how difficult it is just to replicate existing services, let alone keep up with the innovation. It's like the Argentinian effort to stimulate its own computer manufacturing by banning Apple products.
It'd help if the United States wasn't allowed to aggressively brain drain most of the rest of the world.
The US is "allowed" to offer whatever it wants for people to move there.
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Unfortunately, that didn't exist for us back in 2016, and our product is no longer in development.
So your argument is out of date and no longer valid.
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I can tell you that there's a deep-seated suspicion in the US that for France, much of GDPR's purpose is about enabling protectionism. The logic is understandable. Surely, if you just get rid of the abusive American monopolies the home-grown companies will take their rightful places... right?
That doesn't seem to be true though. There are multiple countries outside the EU that have an adequacy decisions regarding their privacy laws like: Japan, South Korea, Canada, UK, Isreal, etc. They can host EU data without issues. The only reason the privacy shield agreement was thrown out was due to lack of safe guards from US intelligence. Even without the privacy shield, US companies would still be able to store E…