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It's a uniquely American thing. I studied abroad for a semester in England, and in one of the classes I took there the (Australian) professor asked us what socioeconomic class we thought we belonged to. It was a good university, but most of the British kids answered "working class." When he asked "Why?" they answered, "Because our parents work." That always stuck with me. In England, the aristocracy is alive and well…
They also haven’t invented or built anything meaningful in several hundred years…
The data are clear: The boys are not all right
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What is so bad? IME, you can easily ignore all the fatalism (popular to feel on every topic) - pretend it isn't there - and do what you want.
An economy that increasingly gets worse and worse for newer generations? The destruction of the planet? The decline of Western Democracy? I guess if you bury your head in the sand and never pay attention to anything then I guess it's not that bad.
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#883The lack of emphasis, in both this and the article's comments section, about the cultural messaging we send boys is very alarming. As a kid, we were told to sit down and be quiet when all our psyche was limitless energy and activity. Now it seems like just slap on a medical addiction and drug young boys into inactivity. Girls on the other hand are told "you can do anything", "break the glass ceiling", and flourish in…
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#884US-based cis-hetero white man here. The data reinforce the impression you get glancing at the headlines or spending a day out anywhere in America observing other men. Dare I say it even reinforces what I know from painful firsthand experience as a man, at the lowest points in my life. I was lucky though, with a supportive family who helped me through the confusing years of early adulthood. You can point to the declin…
One of the consequences of women entering the labor force is banks will lend on the basis of two salaries instead of one. In a world of constrained housing supply (which seems to be most of the west) this means prices will be bid up to match the joint income.
This looks awfully like a zero-sum outcome to me.
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Something cliche but perhaps relevant: Is it instead that some of these folks who have an "easy" time actually don't care that much about the process? Not ignorance, but not spending much time over-analyzing everything. Instead, they're out and they're drawing people to them because they're not thinking about having a good time, but just doing it? It really is that simple in some ways. Focus on enjoying yourself thro…
I don't know if that approach works better in terms of numbers, but it's a lot better for your own happiness.
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>Women, on the other hand, haven't been given the same advertising on the American dream that men have There is a documentary, "Born Rich" [0]. It's interviews with the children of very rich people, done by one of their peers. I noticed that in the film there is stark difference between the girls and the boys: the girls were all well adjusted, enjoying their wealth, happy, satisfied, seemingly well-aware of their goo…
It's a uniquely American thing. I studied abroad for a semester in England, and in one of the classes I took there the (Australian) professor asked us what socioeconomic class we thought we belonged to. It was a good university, but most of the British kids answered "working class." When he asked "Why?" they answered, "Because our parents work." That always stuck with me. In England, the aristocracy is alive and well…
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> We are told america is the best place on earth with all the doors open to you to be rich. That all other forms of government are flawed and we have excellence here everywhere you look. What other countries are great compared to America? With all its flaws America is the only country where you can dream of building spaceships, create multi billion dollar tech companies in less than a decade. Any ideology that forces…
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> We are told america is the best place on earth with all the doors open to you to be rich. That all other forms of government are flawed and we have excellence here everywhere you look. What other countries are great compared to America? With all its flaws America is the only country where you can dream of building spaceships, create multi billion dollar tech companies in less than a decade. Any ideology that forces…
I was collecting FANG salaries in the states. I was in the 1% for my age, and most people would consider this the "American dream". I was miserable. I moved to Japan with a much lower income, but my standard of living is so much more higher. > you may not realize how powerful America's culture of individual freedom has impact on other countries Does individual freedom include not wearing masks? Does individual freedo…
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#889> Here’s the simple truth I’ve heard from many men: We need to be needed. We imagine ourselves as builders, soldiers, workers, brothers — part of something bigger than ourselves.
Add: protectors
This need is a very powerful piece of puzzle that is a man, IMO. It is, to me, completely inate, and something that emerges as you accumulate more of the traditional constructs of life: romantic partner, marriage, kid(s), dwelling. But it's also difficult to control and can cause unwelcome side effects like anxiety, tension with family, and etc.
One solution: I can't recommend therapy enough for everyone out there, especially the guys reading through this thread. It doesn't need to be therapy because you think you have a problem. Just a session per week or every other week that gives you a place to export your feelings and emotions.
I've talked with a therapist once a week for almost two months. It wasn't because I was feeling depressed about personal life or sad about a job. I just felt that it could help me balance some of the ups and downs in life, and it has accomplished EXACTLY that goal. Example: my therapist helped me better understand that some recent blood-boiling-level anxiety was caused by my desire to feel like the protector of my recently expanded (kid #2) family and desire to be the primary helper.
Therapists help you unlock connections between things that currently bother you and your past and provide you with epiphany-like moments. Very difficult to produce those moments when your coping mechanism lives entirely in your own head.
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> Musk has, but he's South African. Musk is a US citizen and he did all of this in the US. The point is about the opportunity provided by the country, not about where you were raised.
He moved to the US when he was 19. He didn't grow up with "the American Dream".