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Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by jrochkind1 »

Here's the original 2006 announcement of "Google Apps For Your Domain".

(Although personally I could swear I've had a gmail account at a custom domain since even earlier than 2006. Originally via some kind of partnership with... Dreamhost? Something like that? Anyway).

http://googlepress.blogspot.com/2006/08/google-launches-host...

> Google will provide organizations with two choices of service.

> A standard edition of Google Apps for Your Domain is available today as a beta product without cost to domain administrators or end users. Key features include 2 gigabytes of email storage for each user, easy to use customization tools, and help for administrators via email or an online help center. Furthermore, organizations that sign up during the beta period will not ever have to pay for users accepted during that period (provided Google continues to offer the service).

> A premium version of the product is being developed for organizations with more advanced needs. More information, including details on pricing, will be available soon.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by zevlag »

ryandvm wrote: post #227
chimprich wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm a Google employee who just found out about this. I'm not annoyed that I have to pay, it's been ~13 years of free service and I don't think Google is obligated to continue providing this to me. Well I'm very annoyed. It's not that I might have to pay for a service, it's the unfairness of it. I've several friends and family members up with accounts on my domain to be nice to them to make life easier for them or b…

Agreed. I'm fucking livid. I don't know what their freeloader costs are on the grandfathered Google domain accounts, but I'm having a hard time believing it's going to be worth the amount of goodwill they're going to burn by shitting on their most loyal users of all. These folks have been using Google services (and presumably suggesting as much to others) for at least 10 years. But I'm not paying $100/mo so my extend…

I'm working on drafting such a letter now.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by [deleted] »

Macha wrote: post #852
jrochkind1 wrote: post #824

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I don't think there is such a thing called "gmail for domains". If you have gmail at a custom domain, you aren't paying anything for it, and you've had it for 10 years or more like that... this is probably talking about you, yes. The thing some of us have had for 10 years or more has been called different things at different points in Google history. Including "Google Apps For Your Domain" and "G-Suite" and "Google W…

There was briefly a seperate Gmail for Domains that was rolled into what was then Google Apps For Your Domain. There's also the possibility that you've registered a regular google account at a non-google domain.

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Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by below43 »

newman314 wrote: post #488

FML. Does anyone have a good tool to extract emails from Google Apps? I literally only use Apps for custom domain email and a placeholder static website. It's certainly not worth $72 a year for it. I saw that someone had posted that iCloud supports custom email domains so I suppose that's an option but now need to figure a way to migrate from Google to iCloud. Found this: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212514 One…

To get the emails over, run Google Takeout, which exports an mbox file, then import into Mail (on your Mac). Then gradually copy over emails from that local mail folder into your iCloud inbox (takes a wee while, but works).

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by zevlag »

mdasen wrote: post #857
MarkusWandel wrote: post #785

I have four active email users in my free "legacy edition" vanity domain workspace. I am not willing to pay USD4x6x12 per year to have this continue to work. Looking around for the most affordable alternative for four active email accounts brings me to... Microsoft! Microsoft 365 Family Edition. Like a lot of salary drones I use Microsoft products at work, so I get a discount. It is sad to be paying for full Microsof…

Apple's iCloud+ is cheaper. I pay $1/mo ($12/year) and that covers a few domains and a handful of email addresses with 50GB of storage. $3/mo ($36/year) will get you 200GB of storage and a family plan that lets you set up different accounts with different logins. I think Microsoft 365 is a great value if you're looking for everything it offers - it includes Office, 1TB of storage per user, etc. Oh, one downside of Mi…

The problem I have with iCloud+ is that it is tied to family group, and my own nuclear family is 7. Let alone all the extended family using my domain.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by deadgiveaway »

bgidley wrote: post #790

If you want to keep the google accounts working for things that free (photos, YouTube etc) you can switch first to the business essentials plan and then to the cloud identity plan. Then you can move the email elsewhere but the google accounts still work. This was essential for me as I used g suite for my family and some are using it for photos.

Some people are being told "you'll keep photos", and others are being told "You'll lose everything".

https://www.reddit.com/r/gsuite/comments/s7t45q/g_suite_lega...

There's only going to be one correct answer!

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by jacquesm »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #843
jacquesm wrote: post #836

So, we enter the brave new world of extortion for data held hostage. Cool. I wonder if Google has factored in what this will do to their brand image, the cost in the longer term will likely far outstrip the savings and the resulting income from sign ups.

How to download your Google data https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/3024190

Yes, Good luck using those dumps anywhere else but in Google. This isn't all that easy to deal with for some, migrating years of email, and so on is a lot of work. Besides the loss of App purchases and other financial impact.

Fortunately for once I was prepared for something like this and besides a couple of documents I'll be able to shut it down easily.

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Post by zevlag »

Masema wrote: post #709
ymolodtsov wrote: post #637

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This has been a legacy feature for quite some time. Honestly, if it was just about email I think there would be nothing wrong with it. The main problem is that it's THE Google account for some people, which includes all their purchases and data and there's no way to move it. Using G-Suite as your personal email has always been hell anyway.

> it's THE Google account for some people, which includes all their purchases and data and there's no way to move it. In these comments (on HN), I've seen claims that we'll still be able to login to Google with our old accounts, like how it's possible to have a Google account with an @yahoo login. I've also seen people disputing that, though. > Using G-Suite as your personal email has always been hell anyway. I've no…

It started out really simple, and good. Then as google added other features, new products, acquired companies, it's gotten harder and harder.

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Post by Macha »

deadgiveaway wrote: post #778
kcartlidge wrote: post #671

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I'm not affiliated with Fastmail, just a user of their services. Please do research to double-check stuff.) > I have a number of users at user1/user2/etc@mydomain.com on G Suite. If I started to use Fastmail, could they all continue to use their existing email addresses at Fastmail to send/receive mail, access their historical emails (if I copy those across) etc using whatever client? Fastmail supports multiple user…

Thanks, but Fastmail is $5 per user per month if you want to use your own domain. Not much less than Google's $6 per user per month. I'm going to want between 2 and 4 users, but they're not heavy users and I just know I'm going to be wondering why I'm bothering to pay when I could just create another google account, have access to docs/calendar/drive/etc which I'm apparently not going to have access to even if I am s…

For what it's worth only the admin user has to be on the Standard tier to use your own domain. The others can be on the basic tier of €3/user/month from where I am.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by danielx »

seanwilson wrote: post #837
danielx wrote: post #816

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Yes, this is the way. Info about Cloud Identity Free: https://support.google.com/cloudidentity/answer/7319251 Steps for adding Cloud Identity Free: https://support.google.com/cloudidentity/topic/7555155 You will only lose access to Gmail and Calendar, though make sure you migrate email and calendar before moving to Cloud Identity Free. Disclaimer: i haven't followed the steps myself since i'm paying for a personal Wo…

So say your custom domain is example.com and you have a user who logs in with me@example.com that has data in Google Gmail, Drive, Photos and Calendar. What are the migration steps? I'm finding this really confusing. Backup Gmail and Calendar, switch to business essentials plan, then cloud identity plan, set up email for me@example.com with some other provider and you can still use me@example.com to access your old D…

Yeah, those steps seems about right. But you'd probably want to set up the new provider as your first step and upgrade from the legacy free edition as your last step. I also like to point the MX records to the new provider before doing the backup so there will be no incoming messages while the backup is in progress.

Disclaimer: i haven't followed the steps myself since i'm paying for a personal Workspace account since a few years ago.

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