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Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by freedomben »

If anybody is in this boat, I can highly recommend Zoho Mail. I pay $1/mo/user and the product is really great. They do have a "forever free" tier as well but I'm not certain what all that includes. The $1/mo/user is a great price, and they have IMAP/POP3 and a pretty great API as well. You can also create as many groups as you want so if you have a company of 3 people where a mix of you need to handle support@, admin@, marketing@, etc you can easily do that.

I have no affiliation with Zoho other than being a happy customer.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by sfblah »

eivindga wrote: post #339
jlv2 wrote: post #198

I've had this for 10+ years. I use it for a family domain. Everyone in the family has a user in the legacy G-suite, but it's really only set up as an email forwarder to their personal gmail account. No one logs in under it. I'm not going to pay $6/user/mo just to do that, and I don't think any of them (all adults at this point) would either. If I could get up an email forwarding without needing a paying user, I'd pro…

Sounds like you need something like: https://improvmx.com/ or https://www.cloudflare.com/apps/email-forwarding (I have no idea if they work as advertised, as I have never used these services.)

If GP isn't too angry at Google, you can get mail forwarding via Google Domains as well.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by LightG »

Anecdote: I would have paid the Google tax. I actually tried to just out of convenience. But one small bit of nonsense stopped me.

Google required me to send them my passport and photo ID for the priveldge of paying them for additional storage. I gave up on them at that point.

... breaking the camels back ...

I'm currently migrating away from my last Google piece: Gmail.

Who remembers when Google were exciting? The good old days ...

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by freedomben »

dheera wrote: post #478
theossuary wrote: post #226

I'm definitely getting screwed over by this. I've hosted close friend's and family's email for a decade now on an old G Apps instance. We only ever used it for email on a custom domain. It was most useful because I could reset passwords for them if they forgot it. Now I'm going to have to figure out what to do. Microsoft's Family offering is way better (not saying much considering Google doesn't have one). Right now…

I never got this e-mail. Does that mean I'm not subject to this?

Your email is probably sitting in a job queue. I would start looking at other options now.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by l33tman »

theossuary wrote: post #226

I'm definitely getting screwed over by this. I've hosted close friend's and family's email for a decade now on an old G Apps instance. We only ever used it for email on a custom domain. It was most useful because I could reset passwords for them if they forgot it. Now I'm going to have to figure out what to do. Microsoft's Family offering is way better (not saying much considering Google doesn't have one). Right now…

You're complaining that a service you use all the time for a decade for free now might cost the equivalent of a cup of coffee per month?

I'm all about Google being evil and all that, but spending valuable aggression on this seems a bit excessive..

The Google Takeout system gives you all of your email in a format you might be able to import into another system?

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by ryan29 »

rzzzt wrote: post #463
isodude wrote: post #386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You add your credentials for the old and the new account and the tool moves the mail between the two. Very easy if you don't want the hassle. It should indeed exist an english version, I think there's a newer version soon to be released. You can add several mail accounts and get a mail when the transfer is complete.

Would you be comfortable adding your email credentials for two accounts in a tool you didn't write?

That's how most of those tools work from what I've seen. Some let you use an MS365 admin account with impersonation rights, but that's even worse than giving up the credentials for all the normal user accounts.

The biggest problem with every migration tool I've ever tried is they all do a very poor job of reconciliation. I've even used a few that incorrectly report success for partial (aka broken) migrations.

The MS365 IMAP migrations are a good example of poor reconciliation, but at least they give you total message counts if you're paying attention. What I'd really like is a tree view of the old mailbox vs the new mailbox with read/unread message counts for every folder.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by boronine »

thenickdude wrote: post #424
boronine wrote: post #72

I've heard that it's possible to strike a balance by self-hosting incoming email and outsourcing outgoing email to Amazon SES. SES provides SMTP credentials which should be fairly straightforward to use. Anyone has experience with this kind of setup?

SES for outgoing works pretty nicely, I don't think I ran into any gotchas. You can use SES for inbound email receipt as well, but unfortunately there's no POP3/IMAP service (emails just get stored in an S3 bucket). However you can use a Lambda to forward inbound email to a personal email account: https://github.com/arithmetric/aws-lambda-ses-forwarder

Thanks! Your solution may be best for usability. Researching further I found another solution that is perhaps best for privacy: https://github.com/markushinz/aws-ses-pop3-server

SES -> S3 -> aws-ses-pop3-server -> desktop client with POP3 and SMTP

Using this option, email is only really usable from a single device, but it avoids sharing private emails with yet another cloud, especially a free cloud that would share email with advertisers.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by newman314 »

FML.

Does anyone have a good tool to extract emails from Google Apps? I literally only use Apps for custom domain email and a placeholder static website. It's certainly not worth $72 a year for it.

I saw that someone had posted that iCloud supports custom email domains so I suppose that's an option but now need to figure a way to migrate from Google to iCloud.

Found this: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212514

One can host 5 domains with 3 email addresses per domain on iCloud.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by bmarquez »

l33tman wrote: post #485
theossuary wrote: post #226

I'm definitely getting screwed over by this. I've hosted close friend's and family's email for a decade now on an old G Apps instance. We only ever used it for email on a custom domain. It was most useful because I could reset passwords for them if they forgot it. Now I'm going to have to figure out what to do. Microsoft's Family offering is way better (not saying much considering Google doesn't have one). Right now…

You're complaining that a service you use all the time for a decade for free now might cost the equivalent of a cup of coffee per month? I'm all about Google being evil and all that, but spending valuable aggression on this seems a bit excessive.. The Google Takeout system gives you all of your email in a format you might be able to import into another system?

> The loss of Youtube purchases; android play purchases, etc. is going to hurt

It's basically blackmail: pay the new monthly fee which you didn't agree to when you signed up, or lose access to everything you've already paid for.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by rPlayer6554 »

ryan29 wrote: post #474
vorpalhex wrote: post #449

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I pay $60/year for Protonmail, and at least $30/year for my email forwarding service. $72/year for gmail seems reasonable given it includes drive.

Zoho has a lite email plan for $12 per year per user. I can put my whole 6 user domain on Zoho for the same price as a single Google Workspace user and the loss of things like Google Drive aren't really a loss in my opinion because I don't trust Google enough to use them. The $6 per user per month price point is pretty high for users that want basic email.

I can second zoho. They have a decent service for the price.
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