Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by soylentnewsorg » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 9:28 AM UTC

dijit wrote: post #871

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #856

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here's one with ecc ram from 2 years ago. https://www.servethehome.com/dell-precision-7540-with-intel-... in fact, i'm not sure you can even order a xeon precision w/o ecc ram. but i'm not here to do your research for you for things you can look up in a minute. you're the one that claimed a xeon precision doesn't come w/ ecc ram, without even googling it. my laptop is a 7660. I also have an i7 5560, and a latitude 74…

I don’t need to google it when I own such a system. My precision did not ship with ECC ram. ECC also needs to be supported by the motherboard; all AMD Ryzen chips have ECC enabled but due to limited motherboard support: many are not able to effectively use ECC. If you have the time could you share the output of `sudo dmidecode —type 17`?

you ordered a precision w/o ECC ram, then claim they don't support ECC RAM. you're a freaking genie.

no, I can't share that output. i run windows with a bunch of vms for windows, solaris, and 2 virtual appliances (nasuni and rubrik). bbye now troll.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by soylentnewsorg » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 9:30 AM UTC

dijit wrote: post #876

dijit wrote: post #871

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I don’t need to google it when I own such a system. My precision did not ship with ECC ram. ECC also needs to be supported by the motherboard; all AMD Ryzen chips have ECC enabled but due to limited motherboard support: many are not able to effectively use ECC. If you have the time could you share the output of `sudo dmidecode —type 17`?

Edit: That laptop (much heavier and much much more power hungry) still doesn’t beat an M1 at Dells max configuration, it certainly doesn’t beat it 5x over. For the Xeon W-11955M 1618 Single-Core Score 9266 Multi-Core Score For the M1 Max 1770 Single-Core Score 12556 Multi-Core Score

you're looking at geekbench scores that do a bunch of GPU-offloaded stuff. and they used the low power integrated graphics, not the NVIDIA RTX in their tests - you have to explicitly select the discreet GPU for a process to use, as it defaults to the low power. so, something that doesn't even look like a mistake of taking the defaults - something that looks like deliberately lying to game the numbers.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by soylentnewsorg » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 9:32 AM UTC

aenis wrote: post #681

microtonal wrote: post #627

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Dell Precision. 6 core xeon, 128GB RAM, 9 hour battery life. [...] My laptop is like 5x or more faster that the Air. Very unlikely. You seem to go out of your way not to mention the Xeon's part number. So what Xeon is it?

Yup. I, too, call BS on that. I do own a precision laptop with a 8 core xeon and this thing is heavy, noisy and can't work on battery for more than 2hrs under normal workload.

you have a 5 year old precision you're comparing to an apple that came out yesterday. tell me, was the election stolen?

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by soylentnewsorg » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 9:41 AM UTC

microtonal wrote: post #747

aenis wrote: post #681

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Yup. I, too, call BS on that. I do own a precision laptop with a 8 core xeon and this thing is heavy, noisy and can't work on battery for more than 2hrs under normal workload.

Just for fun, I looked up the most expensive Dell Precision Xeon laptop, which seems to be the Precision 7760 with a Xeon W-11955M. With a GeekBench score of 1647 ST/9650 MT, this $5377.88 machine is just a bit faster than the passively cooled $999 MacBook Air with 1744 ST/7600 MT. The MacBook Pro 14" 10 core is better than the Dell Xeon in about every way, performance, price, performance per watt, etc.

This is the xeon that's in the laptop. the geekbench score is base on running tests on the low power integrated graphics instead of the discreet NVIDIA RTX GPU. the numbers you idiots keep quoting are completely bogus. anywise losers, enjoy your apples, i got real work to do.

I run about 50k worth of software licenses on the laptop and generate millions in revenue per quarter with it. That's why it's a pro laptop, and I'm sure my company paid about double your number after you add in dell's pro support plus. Pro laptop for pro work. You're a kid who wants toys, but wants to say you're using professional equipment. I got something that's like the pro mac laptop. work gave that to me too for secondary tasks. it's called a dell latitude. it runs the latest i7 and no ecc memory. great for chromecasting porn and playing games in the browser, 13 hours of battery unlike the precision's 9, and much lighter. they just don't call it a pro.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by ideamotor » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 10:16 AM UTC

vegai_ wrote: post #637

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #245

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> I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. Two reasons: 1. M1 is a super fast laptop chip. It provides mid-range desktop performance in a laptop form factor with mostly fanless operation. No matter how you look at it, that's impressive. 2. Apple really dragged their feet on updating the old Intel Macs before the transition. People in the Mac world (excluding hackintosh) were stu…

> 1. M1 is a super fast laptop chip. It provides mid-range desktop performance in a laptop form factor with mostly fanless operation. No matter how you look at it, that's impressive. Get an x86-64 laptop with a recent fastest Ryzen, install Linux on it. You're gonna see better performance for most practical things than your Mac M1, practically fanless. For half the price. Power-per-watt remains Apple's competitive ad…

That's correct. It's about the ecosystem. If you want to run Linux, you don't care about the ecosystem. That person's definition of "most practical things" is going to be very different. For me, using Reminders, Notes, Photos, Messages, and FaceTime across my iPhone and MBP is very practical. I've witnessed amazing gains in the integration just since I got into Apple machines in 2017. My work bought me an iMac in 2011 and I hated it.

And yes, it's that portability through incredible battery life that is the other advantage. I've owned many Windows laptops and the Dell M3800 that came pre-loaded with Ubuntu, and none of them came close in this regard. All other laptops I have used needed to be plugged in for most use which does severely limit portability. This does not. It also doesn't get hot. The fans never turn on. It's a game changer.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by Toutouxc » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 11:21 AM UTC

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #856

dijit wrote: post #630

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I’ve had enough of this. Post your part number and the model number of your ram. Anything less and you’re trolling. It is common for Dell Precisions to ship with Xeons and not ECC ram.

here's one with ecc ram from 2 years ago. https://www.servethehome.com/dell-precision-7540-with-intel-... in fact, i'm not sure you can even order a xeon precision w/o ecc ram. but i'm not here to do your research for you for things you can look up in a minute. you're the one that claimed a xeon precision doesn't come w/ ecc ram, without even googling it. my laptop is a 7660. I also have an i7 5560, and a latitude 74…

> since you seem to be lost here on this tech site, instead of hanging out on reddit with your peers

This kind of behavior makes you seem much more lost here on HN than the guy you're replying to. And looking at your downvoted and flagged posts all over the place, HN seems to agree.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by nullvoxpopuli » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 11:37 AM UTC

lanza wrote: post #558

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #245

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> I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. Two reasons: 1. M1 is a super fast laptop chip. It provides mid-range desktop performance in a laptop form factor with mostly fanless operation. No matter how you look at it, that's impressive. 2. Apple really dragged their feet on updating the old Intel Macs before the transition. People in the Mac world (excluding hackintosh) were stu…

You're missing out on the fact that Apple didn't release a 12980hk or 5980hx competitor. These are 30 watt chips that trounce the competition's 65 watt (e.g. the 12980hk and 5980hx) and beyond chips. Hell, this Geekbench is faster than a desktop 125 watt 11900k. It's faster than a desktop 105 watt 5800x. Apple intentionally played to the competition here. They know AMD/Intel reach some performance level X and release…

I'll take frame.work over apple any day.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by KptMarchewa » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 11:48 AM UTC

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #854

KptMarchewa wrote: post #719

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>arm cpus are faster than server-grade processors They are way more efficient as server cores. https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/graviton/

if you define efficiency as compute per watt. I don't give a flying crap about watts. Efficiency is measured as amount of work done per hour. Because I get paid for the work, and then I pay the two dollars a week for the watts. I don't care if it's five dollars a week for the watts or two. I do care if it's two hours of waiting time versus five.

Compute per watt is compute per dollar. If you want more compute, spawn more cores. In this case, it will be cheaper with ARM.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by eertami » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 12:42 PM UTC

lanza wrote: post #558

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #245

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> I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. Two reasons: 1. M1 is a super fast laptop chip. It provides mid-range desktop performance in a laptop form factor with mostly fanless operation. No matter how you look at it, that's impressive. 2. Apple really dragged their feet on updating the old Intel Macs before the transition. People in the Mac world (excluding hackintosh) were stu…

You're missing out on the fact that Apple didn't release a 12980hk or 5980hx competitor. These are 30 watt chips that trounce the competition's 65 watt (e.g. the 12980hk and 5980hx) and beyond chips. Hell, this Geekbench is faster than a desktop 125 watt 11900k. It's faster than a desktop 105 watt 5800x. Apple intentionally played to the competition here. They know AMD/Intel reach some performance level X and release…

>It might be a long time before it makes sense to buy a non-Apple laptop.

Can't tell if sarcastic but until you can run Linux on the M1 I don't see any reason to buy an Apple laptop.

It could be 10x faster than the competition but with OSX it would still feel like a net productivity loss, from having to deal with bugs and jank in the software.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by ubermonkey » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 1:29 PM UTC

vijucat wrote: post #844

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Do you mean the File/Edit/View menu bar, or the Dock? The Dock has been configurable forEVER. I ran it on the side for many years before switching back to the bottom.

Yes, the File/Edit/View menu bar that has to be at the top.

I have never even heard of someone wanting this, let alone doing it. Are you saying you do this in Windows programs?