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Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by diffeomorphism »

dijit wrote: post #580
adrianN wrote: post #576

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> It might be a long time before it makes sense to buy a non-Apple laptop. ...if you only care about the things that Apple laptops are good at. Almost nobody needs a top-of-the-line laptop to do their tasks. Most things that people want to do with computers can be done on a machine that is five to ten years old without any trouble at all. For example I use a ThinkPad T460p, and while the geekbench scores for its proc…

This is a really useless comparison. A 10 year old laptop will be extremely slow compared to any modern laptop and the battery will have degraded. The T460 has knock off battery replacements floating around but that’s not exactly reassuring. Granted: it works for you (and me, actually, I’m one of those people who likes to use an old thinkpad; x201s in my case though I mostly use a dell precision these days) but peopl…

Define "extremely". You get maybe a factor 2 or so, not 10 or 100. Is that nicer? Yes, sure. Is it necessary? No, older stuff is perfectly sufficient for most people.

Also, it is "if you need that power and need it with laptop formfactor". Again, impressive, but desktops/servers work just as well for most people.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by ksec »

lowbloodsugar wrote: post #335
ksec wrote: post #167

I have seen far too many people making comments on MacPro "Pro" Chip. A hypothetical 32 Core CPU and 64 Core GPU is about the max Apple could make in terms of die size reticle limit without going chiplet and TDP limit without some exotic cooling solution. Which means you cant have some imaginary 64 Core CPU and 128 Core GPU. We can now finally have a Mac Cube, where the vast majority of the Cube will simply be a heat…

If someone had said in 2018 "Apple is going to release a macbook pro with an ARM chip that will be faster at running x86 applications than an x86 chip while having a 20 hour batter life", then a lot of people would have responded with a lot of very clever sounding reasons why this couldn't possibly work and what the limitations would be on a hypothetical chip and how a hypothetical chip that they can imagine would be…

>If you want to be right, take that as a fact...

I guess you dont know enough about Die Space and Reticle Limit on Wafer and Foundry. You are basically arguing if Apple can bypass speed of light.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by ksec »

girvo wrote: post #518
ksec wrote: post #167

I have seen far too many people making comments on MacPro "Pro" Chip. A hypothetical 32 Core CPU and 64 Core GPU is about the max Apple could make in terms of die size reticle limit without going chiplet and TDP limit without some exotic cooling solution. Which means you cant have some imaginary 64 Core CPU and 128 Core GPU. We can now finally have a Mac Cube, where the vast majority of the Cube will simply be a heat…

Doesn't HBM2E do ECC? I know Micron definitely package that at least. I'm likely misunderstanding your ECC point though.

I dont follow HBM closely so I am guessing it could be an On Die ECC correction like DDR5 instead of Full ECC in both DIMM and Memory Controller. But I could be wrong.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by ylyn »

konart wrote: post #608
shaklee3 wrote: post #579

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You are vastly, vastly overestimating how many people like apple laptops. They're expensive, the OS is worse, and there's no speed difference outside of benchmarks. That combined with the fact that most apps are windows-based, and the games are poorly emulated or nonexistent, there's really no reason to buy an apple laptop short of bragging.

>the OS is worse Worse than what? Windows, that is even in 2021 is still a clanky garbage. Or Linux (any distro) that can't be installed on a newest hardware without any trouble at all (my relatively recent experience). An even then you get an OS that you have to fix yourself for it to work and feel remotely nice. Yet without decent software in most cases outside of software development.

Well I'm someone who hacks on Linux for a living.

What do I do now?

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by konart »

ylyn wrote: post #624
konart wrote: post #608

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>the OS is worse Worse than what? Windows, that is even in 2021 is still a clanky garbage. Or Linux (any distro) that can't be installed on a newest hardware without any trouble at all (my relatively recent experience). An even then you get an OS that you have to fix yourself for it to work and feel remotely nice. Yet without decent software in most cases outside of software development.

Well I'm someone who hacks on Linux for a living. What do I do now?

Well, I've been hacking on Linux for 8 years and been a maintainer for a few packages in AUR so what?

Even the way you present yourself here proves my point. This is not an OS for a comfortable life, it's a system for "hacking" (including the system itself).

If you still have passion and time for this - cool, most people don't want to spend their days on this.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by dijit »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #611
dijit wrote: post #587

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I also have a Xeon laptop. (45w TDP E3-1505m v6 in a dell precision). Xeons are not magically faster than their i7/i9 counterparts (mine being not faster than a i7-7820HQ which is its contemporary flagship high performance mobile CPU). In fact they can be slower because the emphasis is on correctness and multi core, not usually single thread performance. Xeons are also slower than a modern AMD chip which also can hav…

No, your 5 year old laptop is not faster than the modern i7 counterparts. and it can be slower than modern ones. Except it's not, because they have larger cache sizes. what your metrics tell me is there's something bogus going on with your comparisons. the xeon dell smokes the m1 air, your test numbers says it's half the speed. that's a level of difference where it's not even worth looking at what the testers did. ye…

Citation please on “the Xeon dell smokes the M1 air”, geek bench says the M1 air can be twice as fast.

All other things being equal: your statement is simply not true.

I just checked and I can’t find a mobile Xeon with a greater TDP than 45w, so you’re stuck with that geek bench score because that’s essentially as good as it gets for a modern mobile Xeon.

Xeons, fwiw, are just higher binned i7s and i9s with features still enabled. The reason they can be slower than i7s and i9s is that the memory controller has to do more work and the way Intel does multi-core (essentially a ring bus) doesn’t scale gracefully always.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by microtonal »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #569
imwillofficial wrote: post #568

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I mean sure, compare your 25lbs Lenovo P52 with a 3lb MacBook Air. Not really apples to apples there bud.

I love how you read the first line, ignore the rest of the paragraph addressing your specific point, then proudly strut around like you called out a gotcha. "bud." Dell Precision. 6 core xeon, 128GB RAM, 9 hour battery life. Thin and under 7lb. Metal and solid, can run over it w/ a car just like the Lenovo you're talking about. Has had a 4k screen and keyboards that don't break or imprint on the display. 5 years ago.…

Dell Precision. 6 core xeon, 128GB RAM, 9 hour battery life. [...] My laptop is like 5x or more faster that the Air.

Very unlikely. You seem to go out of your way not to mention the Xeon's part number. So what Xeon is it?

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by camillomiller »

jjcon wrote: post #418
derefr wrote: post #410

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> an nvidia gpu will still run circles arounnd this thing Not for loading up models larger than 32GB it wouldn't. (They exist! That's what the "full-detail model of the starship Enterprise" thing in the keynote was about.) Remember that on any computer without unified memory, you can only load a scene the size of the GPU's VRAM. No matter how much main memory you have to swap against, no matter how many GPUs you thro…

Memory != Speed You could throw a TB of memory in something and it won't get any faster or be of any use for 99.99% of use cases. Large ML architectures don't need more memory, they need distributed processing. Ignoring memory requirements, GPT-3 would take hundreds of years to train on a single high end GPU (on say a desktop 3090 which is >10x faster than m1) which is why they aren't trained that way (and why NVidia…

I think we’re losing the perspective here that Apple is not in the business of selling chips, but rather in the business of selling laptop to professional who would never even need what you describe

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by dijit »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #621
dijit wrote: post #580

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This is a really useless comparison. A 10 year old laptop will be extremely slow compared to any modern laptop and the battery will have degraded. The T460 has knock off battery replacements floating around but that’s not exactly reassuring. Granted: it works for you (and me, actually, I’m one of those people who likes to use an old thinkpad; x201s in my case though I mostly use a dell precision these days) but peopl…

Define "extremely". You get maybe a factor 2 or so, not 10 or 100. Is that nicer? Yes, sure. Is it necessary? No, older stuff is perfectly sufficient for most people. Also, it is "if you need that power and need it with laptop formfactor". Again, impressive, but desktops/servers work just as well for most people.

2011 desktop CPUs will perform about half as well as a modern laptop one.

I don’t even think Sandybridge (Intel 2011) CPUs support h264 decode- a pretty common requirement these days for zoom, slack, teams and video streaming sites such as YouTube.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by dijit »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #617
augstein wrote: post #594

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Dell Precision with Xeon CPU … this thing doesn’t even have ECC ram, so it’s a toy and not suitable for actual pros. Seriously though, your comment lacks, because of your very narrow and specific definition of „pro“. The vast majority of people using laptops professionally, obviously prefer a MacBook Pro over a niche Dell laptop with a Xeon CPU. Also the Geekbench score for Xeon CPUs used in Dell Precision laptops is…

It does use ECC RAM. Didn't bother reading the rest of your comment, probably something about some china virus being fake. The big question is, why would you have sex with a sheep. See, I can make up stuff too and add some sarcastic useless filler to spam this site.

I’ve had enough of this.

Post your part number and the model number of your ram.

Anything less and you’re trolling.

It is common for Dell Precisions to ship with Xeons and not ECC ram.

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