The democracy and freedom of political views and speech in the US is now dead. It is like these days the Democratic Party represents the good guys and the GOP represents the bad guys. Anyone who agrees with some of the conservative ideology, or remotely disagrees with the Democrats will be alienated, labeled, draws anger, and eventually banned, silenced, fired from work and face retaliation.
YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel
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#882The democracy and freedom of political views and speech in the US is now dead. It is like these days the Democratic Party represents the good guys and the GOP represents the bad guys. Anyone who agrees with some of the conservative ideology, or remotely disagrees with the Democrats will be alienated, labeled, draws anger, and eventually banned, silenced, fired from work and face retaliation.
There are a variety of YouTube personality with right leaning views that have built their entire reputation on the site. OAN, Fox, Shapiro, Peterson and more grew through use of YouTube and still do. And they do get labeled and have anger built against them - but they also label and build anger against others. That’s how things work on all sides.
Bannon routinely calls for violence - against members of all parties.
Free speech is not dead and this is not even a case of free speech. YouTube has banned other people calling for violence.
Companies can choose what to promote.
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As a liberal in big tech, I can assure you the primary motivation is that we are 1. horrified by trump, always have been 2. aren't concerned that trump will unilaterally end our business if we oppose him anymore 3. are extremely concerned about american democracy and our lives, given the way trump has convinced almost half the country that the election was rigged, which has encouraged them to almost kill an entire br…
Do you remember Russiagate? How half the country literally believed that Trump was a puppet of Russia, and that Russia had hacked the election. Hilary Clinton wrote a book about it. I will say that Trump should act with more tact and decorum, but just months ago CHAZ was a literal autonomous zone acting outside of the laws and authority of the city of Seattle. Nobody should have had their ability to communicate freel…
When you say literally, I think you can't say "hacked the election"
You instead have to say what people literally think/thought: that Russians hacked the democrats to release more emails and the like.
Nobody thought the russians hacked the actual election to change votes and the like, just that they influenced it illegally at the behest of the trump campaign
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one of the two is still an explicit call to murder tho.
And the other is an implicit call for murder. Are you daft?
As they say: "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me"
Otherwise, you have to take this "are you daft" comment as assault
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#885The headline has important context: “YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel hours after Rudy Giuliani appeared on an episode and blamed the Capitol siege on Democrats” At some point the lies need to stop.
This is not a lie though. If you say "Democrats have ignored certain classes of Americans and pushed them to the brink and this is the result" - it's a heavily editorial opinion The press overall uses these types of editorial lies daily. The Guardian today is Blaming the existence of COVID on Boris Johnson, unsurprisingly. To me it's a stretch, and basically a lie, but well within editorial distortions we can expect…
The existence or the continued existence? Given that it's an island, Britain should be as good as new Zealand for covid. If it's not, the government has screwed up
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> I don't want this to sound wrong, but I perceive most of the people complaining about censorship to be hypocrites. They'd be the first to censor if they were in charge of these platforms. They are some of the first to ban in moderated communities like reddit. Based on what? I and many people I'm close to in real life are constantly concerned about these escalating erosions of expression and all prefer the less-mode…
r/conservative r/conspiracy r/donaldtrump all come to mind as communities that (up until one was recently banned) complained about censorship while constantly banning users for providing debate. Heck, I signed up for Gab and was almost immediately banned from the entire site after sharing my liberal opinion.
Interesting, I guess we're just talking about different populations of 'people complaining about censorship.' I never spend time on forums whose main stated purpose is political discussion but still hear a lot of discussion about censorship in my daily life, so I don't really jump to gab, r/conspiracy, r/donaldtrump, etc when I hear that phrase. I don't think I'd characterize those places as being the majority of people concerned about corporate censorship, though
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> The conservatives and right leaning people value individual rights and freedom. As another outsider, I get the impression US conservatives are selective about the groups they consider worthy of those rights and freedoms. They oppose women's choice to abort. They oppose rights and freedoms for immigrants. They came out in support of cops who had violated rights of their own african-american citizens.
If I can play devil's advocate for a moment: 1) "Pro-life" conservatives believe that fetuses are human lives (persons) worthy of protection and prioritize that over the right of the mother to control her own body. That might sound bad, but there is a logic to it. "Pro-choice" advocates would argue that the fetus is not a person and that ultimately the mother should have full rights to her own body. Leaving aside the…
Floyd died from a fentanyl overdose and was resisting arrest as he was having a panic attack. Watching the full uncut video, the officers showed remarkable constraint in dealing with him. It's a sad story, but its not a murder.
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#888I read things like this and it really makes me sad. I don’t agree with Steve Bannon or Rudy Giuliani on a lot of things. I also don’t agree with their equivalent person on the left. In fact I am skeptical of most “career politicians”. I really wish we could switch what politics is about. Currently we (meaning news channels and Twitter/internet folk) want to dunk on the other tribe and show them how wrong and stupid t…
> I also don’t agree with their equivalent person on the left. Just out of curiosity who is their equivalent person on the left? > Can’t we all try to find consensus and compromise? What consensus and compromise do you want when the President of the US wants to "find" the votes or when calls the rioters good people and we love you?
Sen Cortez, Sen Warren, Sen Sanders, Rep Pelosi are a good start.
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My account is too new to downvote but consider this a down vote
So you don't want a Ministry of Truth? You want to leave something as important as censorship in the hands of Big Tech? What if a conservative starts a tech company? It could happen.
"What if a conservative starts a tech company"
huge if true
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Anger about what though?
I can explain that one. Stick with me on this dear HN reader, as your gut reaction may be to trigger downvote, but I'm going to actually explain it for real, I'm going to tell you exactly why (I'm not going to filter it for everyone so it feels better or sounds better). Jobs. Opioid deaths. Suicides. Life expectancy. Standards of living. Manufacturing erosion. Lack of a future. Lack of wealth creation. Rural and midd…
Thats a sweet sob story and all but are we sure we're talking about the same people?
The Trump supporters who I am talking about have spent the last 4 years alienating their friends and family, bragging about their success, and making fun of those who are less fortunate than themselves. The Trump supporters who I am talking about have spent the last 4 years running people over with their cars, pointing guns(and shooting) at people that disagree with them, and now attempted to overthrow a democratic election.
Whatever filter bubble you think I am in is not as tiny as you might think. I have lived all over the country. I am from rural Michigan. I personally know conservatives and have close family that I deeply care about that are fully absorbed into the Trump cult. These are people who were upper middle class by the time the Bush and Obama administrations had come to pass; these are people that have destroyed lifelong relationships to maintain their allegiance with Trump.
I know the hardship is out there, and that I can agree with you on. However, the Trump supporters I know have more property and wealth than I could dream of.