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Post by Geee »

summerlight wrote: post #429

Lots of people disappointed in the new iPhone. The reason I see is simple; Apple has long been outsourced a large fraction of its hardware innovation capabilities to other companies rather than having a full vertical ownership of the production line, unlike its competitors (Samsung, Huawei, etc). This works very well when most of the required technologies are already there for bringing their idea to the reality so Ap…

I don't think that's true at all. Apple is the only player that has ownership of the most important parts of software, hardware and services. That's why their products are better than their competitors.

Camera under the screen etc. are gimmicks that don't provide real value to customers. On the other hand, having the most performant SoC combined with the most performant software does provide real value.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by paulcole »

Tepix wrote: post #783
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #778

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Graphene battery, foldable display, 5G network, >1TB internal storage, Fingerprint reader at any point on the screen could all kickoff new generational cycle. But, it will happen in increments and for all the above features to be available in one smartphone which is affordable, will take another 3-4 years and hence my OP comment that current generation is done. Edit: 1TB

Let's see. I don't agree with many of the points. 5G Network? Every phone will have it in 3 years. >1TB storage? In Android land you can already buy a 1TB microSD card and stick it into your phone resulting in >1TB total storage. Are many people doing that? Fingerprint reader in the screen: Who cares if its below the display or on the back of the phone? It's a rather small improvement.

Isn’t a 1TB microSD card going to be much much slower than the storage used in an iPhone?

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by paulcole »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #822
noneckbeard wrote: post #785

Does everyone here also drive a base model Honda Civic because “car hardware is done”? This is a luxury product and people upgrade because it’s fun and feels great to have the fastest phone and fanciest camera. It’s not that big a deal, and it’s definitely not a ripoff.

> It’s not that big a deal... Climate change is a big deal. Electronic waste pollution is a big deal. Apple breaking labor laws is a big deal.

If you eat meat, drive a car, fly in planes, live in a big house, have kids, etc., buy all the iPhones you want. It’s not going to make a lick of difference when it comes to climate change.

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Post by mlrtime »

kccqzy wrote: post #765
remir wrote: post #689

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Apple hasn't really been on the bleeding edge for a while now. Android phones had bigger screens, wireless charging, quick charging, NFC payment years before the iPhone had those features. Apple strengths are in integration, design and marketing. Like mentioned, other phones had NFC payments way before the iPhone, but I'd say mobile phone payment really took off when Apple Pay came out. That's the power of marketing…

Well on the hand other the Apple FaceID was in fact on the bleeding edge. Apple introduced it two years ago and we're only going to see it on the Pixel later this year. And for SoC performance I don't think any Android phone can surpass Apple's chips from last year. Apple really is on the bleeding edge for some things. You can't expect them to be on the bleeding edge for everything.

Apple Engineers didn't invent it, it was a 3rd party technology purchase.

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Post by rythie »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #731

Smartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years, absolutely nothing if the battery is replaced; there could be even diminished returns if you buy a new smartphone(unavailability of headphone jack, losing metal body, losing faster biometric authentication). Improvement in camera could be enticing, but the platforms to which the photos, videos a…

The ultrawide lens and night mode are significant in my view, if you don't already have them.

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Post by matwood »

Grustaf wrote: post #877
aguzzi94 wrote: post #867

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I knew/know this person personally. We all knew him because he was an habitual client. He is working as a professor in high school. So the probability of him being so wealthy to change one iPhone per week are not that high. That said, even if he is, do you think that his behavior would be consider sane? His story is just to point out how the sense of worthlessness in some people is financially exploited by prestigiou…

I don't see how FOMO explains anything more than the first purchase. The second and third purchases just seem like random stupidity.

> seem like random stupidity.

Or phones are his thing. Everyone has a thing they have probably spent stupid relative amounts of money on. A gaming computer? Games? A guy I know from Jiu-Jitsu collects Gi's at $200+/each.

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Post by dfgdghdf »

soneil wrote: post #487
spike021 wrote: post #270

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"Pro" probably works great to bring in people trying to elevate their social media quality. It doesn't necessarily mean (in Apple's marketing terminology) actual, legitimate professional industry anymore. I'd imagine people getting into vlogging and such, or even people who just want to be "that cool and popular" (especially younger people) that would buy in to the "Pro" moniker.

I think "Pro" is just admitting that they're running into two tiers now. They released the 8 and the X together, they released the XR and XS together. The iphone has diverged into two products and hopefully they've picked a consistent name to differentiate them - because the difference between XR and XS isn't obvious at all.

Exactly. It's the same as with iPad and Mac. The name "pro" is just a throw-back to an earlier Apple, and it works because customers already understand the term. It doesn't matter if it is for real professionals or not.

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Post by rythie »

aguzzi94 wrote: post #792

Former Apple Store employee here! You would be surprised by how people become blind from all the smokes and mirrors of the Apple branding and advertisement. I remember one day, there was a 40-something years old man, that came in with an iPhone X and switched it for an XS, adding 500 euros. Only to return 1 week later to switch the XS for an XR with better storage, adding 250 euros. Only to return 2 weeks later, to s…

Apple stuff lasts, this is not an Apple issue, any of those phones would have been good for several years. I'm only my 3rd iPhone in 9 years (soon to replace it though). Also 3rd iPad in 9 years. My Macbook Air is from 2012. Apple do software updates going quite far back. A lot of Apple's hardware looks exactly the same from generation to generation, so even if you updated, how would anyone know? If customers want to chop and change that's on them, Apple is not forcing it really.

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Post by aguzzi94 »

Grustaf wrote: post #876
aguzzi94 wrote: post #856

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For me personally, working there was a perpetual moral internal debate. I was good at convincing people that were on the edge of buying. On one hand, the more you sell, the higher the commission you get, for you and the whole team. On the other hand, you have to sell tech that is one of the best, but for the time being, totally overpriced. Therefore, you have to manipulate a lot, and tell half-truths if not blatant l…

He should have returned sooner, within two weeks you can return or exchange it for free can't you?

Once you open the plastic outside the box (not even the box itself) you can't return it for free, it might have been compromised in some way. Its value is automatically cut in half in the store's eyes.

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Post by matwood »

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #474
summerlight wrote: post #429

Lots of people disappointed in the new iPhone. The reason I see is simple; Apple has long been outsourced a large fraction of its hardware innovation capabilities to other companies rather than having a full vertical ownership of the production line, unlike its competitors (Samsung, Huawei, etc). This works very well when most of the required technologies are already there for bringing their idea to the reality so Ap…

My observation is Apple waits for someone else to make the hardware innovation (e.g., camera under screen being the next example of this), then they do a more polished version of that.

You think that Apple isn't working on putting the camera array required for FaceId under the screen? Of course they are. The problem is that it's the whole sensor array that has to go under the screen. Is that workable? Possibly, but I'm not a hardware engineer.
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