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Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by CyberDildonics »

bombcar wrote: post #850
CyberDildonics wrote: post #743

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Are you talking about minecraft? Minecraft was known for working only because it is so simple graphically compared to other games. It was said to allocate and deallocate hundreds of megabyte of memory every frame.

Minecraft still runs, and it may look graphically simple but it's actually pretty complex (as it has millions of blocks in memory at any time and has to cull which to not render, etc). Minecraft does do some horrible things to the JVM, but it's strong and can take it.

it may look graphically simple

Because it is graphically simple. That's not even a CPU issue.

millions of blocks in memory at any time and has to cull which to not render, etc).

128x128x128 is already 2 million voxels. Minecraft and any other game like that can use an octree or some variation to not individually deal with blocks. When things are in the distance or occluded or empty space you cull a courser level of the octree.

Java can be fast compared to scripting languages but I don't know why minecraft would be an example. It is a simple game that was poorly written and had to be re-written in C++ for other platforms. It got by on being simple and but running on full PCs at the same time.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by mghackerlady »

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #574
mghackerlady wrote: post #546

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maybeeee SPARC based Solaris? Probably not a major usecase nowadays (Oracle bought Sun for Java, not for Sun) but it seems to be limping along

> Oracle bought Sun for Java, not for Sun My recollection is that they also qanted Sun's storage hardware products, to sell alongside their existing DB software.

that was also a reason, but you can't convince me Oracle wasn't primarily in it for Java

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by whamlastxmas »

WalterBright wrote: post #792
whamlastxmas wrote: post #773

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ah yes, the high standard of living inlcuding checks notes world-leading medical bankruptcies, collapsing life expectancy despite insane healthcare spending, crippling student debt, unaffordable housing that requires a trust fund just to rent, and wages that stagnated decades ago while corporate profits and CEO pay skyrocketed. i spent $57 on a regular size pack of paper towels and toilet paper in the bay area yester…

Interestingly, you mentioned the trifecta of industries most interfered with by the government - healthcare, education, and housing. The government puts its foot on the scale there. In contrast, look at the software industry. No regulations, yet highly sophisticated software where the price went to zero. I just reinstalled Ubuntu on my (now fixed!) computer, and every bit of the software was 100% free. And I give awa…

Socialzied medicine works well in many countries where it's 100% government controlled and socialism is much more cultural accepted. The problem isn't government involvement, it's the AMERICAN government involvement, which is largely controlled by billionaires and rich donors (i.e. capitalism)

Also software can be reproduced without cost. I cannot get back surgery without a lot of physical time and labor and resources.

I think you're rage baiting at this point so I'm done.

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Post by greazy »

brailsafe wrote: post #605
jedberg wrote: post #261

My Amazon layoff notice came at 5am. Same deal. I thought it was fake because it came to my personal email. Then I logged into my work computer and found that all my email had been erased except for a copy of the layoff notice and an invite to a 10am Zoom with HR. The funny part was the invite had everyone who had been laid off in the To: line. I was able to send internal only emails until 1pm, and then it logged me…

I've been laid off or fired ~7 times, in slightly different ways, some more humane than others, and it's quite a... traumatizing/colouring experience that stays with you from that point forward, even when I was over the job anyway. I once had my access cut off while I was working late, albeit from a much smaller company. Got to go to sleep knowing I didn't have an income in the morning. Incidentally, in retrospect I'…

I hope you're doing better these days, friend. That sounded rough.

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Post by lazide »

rbanffy wrote: post #310
lazide wrote: post #182

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It’s a common ‘large enterprise’ dependency often due to some internal CRN/Accounting/Compliance software, so I suspect you are right.

People also marry the database when a significant amount of logic is in stored procedures.

Hard to do if it’s not present to use already?

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Post by kaladin-jasnah »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #659
kaladin-jasnah wrote: post #36

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I tried to do this out of undergrad (graduated last year). Many companies do both good and bad things to me, some more good than bad. The "best of the best" companies to me require many years of experience and are still competitive. I didn't really want an entry level job at an "evil" company, so I'm going to go do a PhD (in something unrelated to my original interest in operating systems, as I don't want to be a 30k…

I honestly think is it bad for you to be that morally insistent against "evil" companies. I also think it's not as easy as most people make it. It's not the poor and innocent people that are oppressed by all this evil companies. These companies are just a reflection of the people and the society we live in.

> I honestly think is it bad for you to be that morally insistent against "evil" companies.

Why is that? I broadly agree with the idea that even "evil" companies have parts that do good things or neutral things, but I am curious about your rationale.

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Post by northern-lights »

jvanderbot wrote: post #194
kyledrake wrote: post #157

The bulk of the comments in here are focused on comparing Larry Ellison to a lawn mower, so I'll try a new tack and say that I'm genuinely confused at what the value prop of Oracle is. Given the history of their business model being licensing of important databases that are hard to switch off of, I've actually made a point to avoid using Oracle as much as possible (even so far as to leave MySQL when they acquired it,…

Oracle and Java are deeply embedded in US gov work. How deep? Let's just say a large number of classified developer jobs hire for Java. Ellison has been a huge proponent of a surveillance state, and that likely ingratiates him with certain three letter agencies. The only developers I know who write Java full time work in systems that take pictures of things from far away.

as a counterpoint - Amazon is a Java shop and most of the companies that model themselves after Amazon are also Java shops.

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Post by gregw2 »

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #267
seanhunter wrote: post #248

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Short answer: today I think there is genuinely nothing that anyone should use oracle for, but their database used to be seriously far ahead of the competition. A very long time ago (circa 2000) there were basically 2 databases that worked for use cases where you needed high availability and vertical scalability and those were Oracle and Sybase and Oracle was really the only game in town if you actually wanted certain…

Just curious, how was SQL Server perceived at the time compared to Sybase and Oracle? I know it originated as a port of Sybase.

MS SQL Server was a cheaper, friendlier plugin replacement for Sybase in the early 2000s.

I built apps in an active-active bidirectional replication telecom Sybase environment and was deeply involved in migrating it to MS SQL server in the early 2000s. I remember a fair amount of paranoia and effort around the transition as our entire business and customers' phone calls depended on it (for "reasons") but in hindsight it went quite smoothly and there were no regrets afterwards.

The Microsoft went and added a nice BI stack to the whole thing which added a new dimension of value creation at a new low price point.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by asdff »

jimkleiber wrote: post #321
jedberg wrote: post #261

My Amazon layoff notice came at 5am. Same deal. I thought it was fake because it came to my personal email. Then I logged into my work computer and found that all my email had been erased except for a copy of the layoff notice and an invite to a 10am Zoom with HR. The funny part was the invite had everyone who had been laid off in the To: line. I was able to send internal only emails until 1pm, and then it logged me…

I'm not sure if companies understand the emotional impact on the laid off and the layoff survivors. It almost seems like a terror campaign, whether intended or not.

Company still has no sense that them shaving 1% of their bottom line means shaving 100% of the bottom line of some of their dedicated staff.
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