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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Gooblebrai »

sfn42 wrote: post #870
Gooblebrai wrote: post #844

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> He's holding the guy verbally hostage just to manipulate dumb viewers. Why? The other person can say "Yes". That doesn't mean ChatGPT has the capability to do it?

That's the point. The other guy can only say yes - if chatgpt solved a hard problem and improved our understanding of the universe there would be no discussion as to its capability to do so. "No" is not a reasonable answer to the question. It's like asking an atheist "if god and Jesus and all the angels came to earth and showed themselves for all to see, would you believe in god then?" Well yes of course, I believe i…

Fair, thanks for explaining

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by sureglymop »

NewLogic wrote: post #637
bredren wrote: post #356

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There were ~trends similar to what appeared early in TikTok. For example, early TikTok had the Boss Walk. Sora had no big content trends split into many micro trends in some established ~universe.

An AI video trend on Instagram as been Han from Tokyo Drift with different cars. People still want to share those on the platforms they are already locked into with their friends.

It kind of seems obvious that people would rather share their content on the pre-established platforms.

I believe OpenAI didn't actually want to create an alternative platform. Instead, they wanted (and needed) to be in control. This is really due to the experimental nature of the technology and platform. They wanted to do market research yet retain the power to pull it at any time.

Arguably they were successful in that given that they now have the ability to stop it.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by internet_points »

WarmWash wrote: post #683
internet_points wrote: post #522

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> You have to go read it yourself afterwards ^ this is important. Otherwise you may very well be missing anything really surprising or novel. See for example https://www.programmablemutter.com/p/after-software-eats-the... , an experience report of NotebookLM where > It was remarkable to see how many errors could be stuffed into 5 minutes of vacuous conversation. What was even more striking was that the errors systema…

On one hand 2024 in AI time was a decade ago. On the other, Google might not have done much to upgrade the podcast feature since them.

This regression towards the mean is still very much a feature of the newer models, in my experience. I don't see how a model that predicts the most likely word based on previous context + corpus data could possibly not have some bias towards non-novelty / banality.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by KptMarchewa »

WarmWash wrote: post #673
Tade0 wrote: post #660

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> I think consumers are slightly smarter now that they don't want to be drawn into this kind of addictive toxic content. The addictive toxic content will go the way of tobacco and explore new markets. Back in 2010 around 11% of the population of Indonesia was connected to the internet. Currently it's closer to 80% - largely via mobile phones. That's approximately 200mln new users. Nigeria and Pakistan are going throu…

I'm reminded of a video from the 80's/90's where researchers took a TV to the Amazon to see how "live off the land" tribes reacted to high technology. Apparently they stopped doing everything and just wanted to watch TV all day. And that was just regular old TV. Short form video is a special kind of crack. I see even old people getting hypnotized by it. And even worse, they're terrible at determining if something is…

I find it a bit amazing that we're all still able to work somehow, when surrounding with all those distractions.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by aledevv »

Tade0 wrote: post #660
asim wrote: post #545

Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. But I think you finally see a little bit of a flaw in the strategy or just a little bit of insight into what was desperation for relevance and to try to very quickly attain what other companies have attained but essentially what they're seeing is this gradual reduction in ambition and…

> I think consumers are slightly smarter now that they don't want to be drawn into this kind of addictive toxic content. The addictive toxic content will go the way of tobacco and explore new markets. Back in 2010 around 11% of the population of Indonesia was connected to the internet. Currently it's closer to 80% - largely via mobile phones. That's approximately 200mln new users. Nigeria and Pakistan are going throu…

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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by q7m »

pesus wrote: post #835
muzani wrote: post #726

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This is a mainstream break up song: https://youtu.be/ekzHIouo8Q4 This is a vocaloid break up song: https://youtu.be/9pQR4a5sisE The first isn't bad by any means. There's a million break up songs and that's one of the best sad ones. Most are just... angry? Blaming? Empowering? They work fine. They sell records. Many have have a billion views. But the second one, even with the clunky translation, strikes somewhere deep…

Vocaloids are hardly similar to fully AI-generated songs. Vocaloids are still human controlled.

And also that VOCALOID uses "traditional" signal processing techniques as opposed to generative deep learning techniques.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by mlrtime »

animuchan wrote: post #600
mlrtime wrote: post #582

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How do you get Suno songs for free? You listen to others or make your own?

Almost nobody listens to others' songs on Suno, that's the entire point. You wouldn't care to order the food as I personally like it -- might be too spicy (or too bland) for your taste. Suno songs are overtuned for personal preference in the same way.

I get that, but you have to pay to create your own.

And on the second part, I somewhat disagree. I mean, yes everyone has a personal preference, but if you bucket all those personal preferences they all fit nicely together (In many buckets).

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by y-curious »

meken wrote: post #163

I had so much fun making videos with my mom when it came out. During the first two weeks, we made over 100 cameo videos together - we were constantly running up against the upload limit. It unleashed tons of genuine creativity, joy, and laughter from us. After those first two weeks though, we just… didn’t use it again. The novelty wore off and there wasn’t anything really to bring us back. That was the real downfall…

You know who the novelty didn’t wear off for? My in-laws, who for some ungodly reason are superusers on TikTok. Once the audio-enabled, realistic videos of babies and children hit the feed, it was a virtual 9/11 moment. The group chat is spammed by 90% believable videos of babies arguing, dogs doing smart shit and it’s all slop.

I am hoping against hope that this will stem the tide because the slop-generators are too lazy or too poor to run other models locally or search them online.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by animuchan »

mlrtime wrote: post #878
animuchan wrote: post #600

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Almost nobody listens to others' songs on Suno, that's the entire point. You wouldn't care to order the food as I personally like it -- might be too spicy (or too bland) for your taste. Suno songs are overtuned for personal preference in the same way.

I get that, but you have to pay to create your own. And on the second part, I somewhat disagree. I mean, yes everyone has a personal preference, but if you bucket all those personal preferences they all fit nicely together (In many buckets).

A fairly narrow buckets, sure.

I think the point of Suno is to make you not search for your specific thing though, and instead produce your own. Searching for niche music has always been a thing. If our goal is to listen for free, we don't care about Suno (or any other way to make music) one bit, it's just another DAW for those making music.

And AI music in general sure has its fans, check out Only Fire for example.

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