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“It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by firstbabylonian »

blitzar wrote: post #805
gumby wrote: post #777

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> But if we had an actually-good, cross-platform messaging standard that was implemented in the default, stock messaging app… For billions of people that default is WhatsApp and installing it is as much a part of setting up your phone as is plugging in a SIM.

> that default is WhatsApp and installing it is as much a part of setting up your phone as is plugging in a SIM You missed out the bit where you sign your soul over to Mark Zuckerberg.

Regular people don’t realise or care, they just want to be where their friends are.

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Post by jason0597 »

alickz wrote: post #844
altairprime wrote: post #59

Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…

From the tech emails it seems they're more concerned about lockin than security. https://twitter.com/techemails/status/1463558823109660677?la... >short version - don't make mail, calendar, iMessage work on Android and it's impossible to switch

> https://twitter.com/techemails/

Slightly off-topic, but wow. What an absolutely brilliant twitter account.

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Post by paraselene_ »

gumby wrote: post #777
kelnos wrote: post #615

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> Perhaps you're missing the point though? Maybe your friends simply don't care enough to switch. Right, I mean, that's exactly the point. I can't force someone else to install a messaging app I'd prefer to use. But if we had an actually-good, cross-platform messaging standard that was implemented in the default, stock messaging app of both Android and iOS, I would not have to depend on my friends caring or not. I co…

> But if we had an actually-good, cross-platform messaging standard that was implemented in the default, stock messaging app… For billions of people that default is WhatsApp and installing it is as much a part of setting up your phone as is plugging in a SIM.

For billions of people that default is WeChat/WeiXin and installing it is as much a part of setting up their phone as is plugging in a SIM.

I can safely know that any phone made today will have SMS/MMS capability, and nothing about WhatsApp/WeChat/Messenger/Telegram/...etc

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Post by dcormier »

psyc wrote: post #391
dcormier wrote: post #169

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That’s very ableist of you. About 1 in 12 males are colorblind. I’m in this group. I find white text on a bright green background very difficult to read.

This comment says almost exactly the same thing without the first sentence. This trend of everyone calling everyone else a something-ist can’t die fast enough.

You’re right. I should’ve left it off. I was frustrated.

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Post by lasson »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #550
efitz wrote: post #528

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Uh, don't you need an Apple ID to activate an iPhone?

Phone still works without an ID. No idea if this means that you can only send SMS messages though.

I’m not logged in I can send iMessages and FaceTime, seems to link it to the phone number though.

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Post by RealStickman_ »

rahkiin wrote: post #866
aaaaaaaaata wrote: post #617

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It's not a "reasonable" ask if you're Apple, selfish, and therefore want iMessage to remain superior to SMS at all costs, because it's part of your luxury appeal.

It also not reasonable because a lot of countries, also in europe, do not have RCS support on their networks. Or the right version of RCS.

Most people in Europe don't use iMessage though.

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Post by INGSOCIALITE »

kelnos wrote: post #116
altairprime wrote: post #59

Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…

I'd rather live in a world with spam than a world where corporations get to decide what I run on my devices, and cripple a bunch of critical applications if I decide I want to, y'know, actually do whatever I want with the hardware I own. I'm not unsympathetic to Apple's difficulties and goals here (assuming this spam problem is actually the reason, though I'm skeptical that there aren't also self-serving reasons that…

so live in your world with spam and green text bubbles and blurry images.

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Post by martius »

altairprime wrote: post #59

Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…

SMS spam isn't a thing on iOS?

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Post by wilde »

bee_rider wrote: post #501
wilde wrote: post #106

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This doesn’t work though. I receive enough iMessage spam specifically through Apple ids that I wish I could disable the ability to message me unless you use a phone number.

That's weird -- my phone number is definitely in some spammer lists (I get so many calls) but I have never once received an SMS or iMessage spam. What kind of things do they send?

Pig butchering mostly. “I am going to play golf with my business partners tomorrow. Will you have time to join us Dave?”

https://www.rrstar.com/story/business/2022/04/30/new-pig-but...

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