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US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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Post by jjulius »

chrisco255 wrote: post #857
titzer wrote: post #856

Earlier quoted context omitted.

110+ million vaccinations in the US and holy goddamn, no major issues. 31 million infections and 550,000+ dead, in a year. Millions of long haul COVID cases. Debilitating lung conditions, brain fog, lasting consequences already from the virus, and you wanna crow about long term consequences of the vaccine . What in the actual roasting hell. I've noticed you, specifically, posting pro-virus misinformation since the ve…

You have no idea, those people received this treatment 2 months ago. You absolutely have no clue what long term effects are one year out, five years out, 10 years out. Stop violating people's human rights to make their own individual medical choices. Their body, their choice, none of your business.

>Stop violating people's human rights to make their own individual medical choices.

What are you even referring to? Literally no one has to get a vaccine if they don't want it. Nobody in the comment chain you're replying in had advocated for forced innoculation. This is 100% already a "their body, their choice" situation.

Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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Post by disabled »

js2 wrote: post #702

The risk of dying from a blood clot after receiving the J&J vaccine is six in 6,800,000 (6.8M). The world population is 7,900,000,000 (7.9B). If everyone on the planet got the J&J vaccine tomorrow, and if it is the cause of the clots, then 6,971 people would die from the vaccine. Yesterday, Covid19 killed 8,803 people (according to worldometers). We don't want anyone to die from vaccination, and we don't fully unders…

It's not just a "blood clot" or some "rare type of blood clot".

This was what I posted in this post about the European Medicines Agency acknowledging the AstraZeneca vaccine (which I was inoculated with) was linked to something never seen before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26725232

> "Zero surprises here. Both Norwegian and German research teams identified the /actual specific novel antibody/ that causes this /new previously unclassified syndrome/ that was effectively unheard of before the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine existed. Also, both teams are phenomenally talented for identifying this antibody so quickly. Usually it is on “finding a needle in a haystack” level difficulty. BTW, I am probably going to get downvoted but I am definitely not an antivaxxer and I received the AZ vaccine as innoculation for COVID-19."

Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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Post by knz »

cyberlurker wrote: post #783
wincy wrote: post #768

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I went to the emergency room for earth shattering headaches (no history of headaches like this) after getting the J&J vaccine last week. I mentioned I’d got the vaccine and asked if it was possible the two were linked. The doctor did everything but actually roll his eyes and thought that the headache being caused by the vaccine was ridiculous. I bet if I went today he wouldn’t be so dismissive.

Would he somehow check for blood clots? What could that doctor have done?

My family history includes some "adventures" with blood clots/PE's.

Typically they investigate with multiple tools - a CT scan, a D-Dimer blood test, and often an ultrasound to check blood flow in limbs etc.

Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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Post by titzer »

jjulius wrote: post #871
chrisco255 wrote: post #857

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have no idea, those people received this treatment 2 months ago. You absolutely have no clue what long term effects are one year out, five years out, 10 years out. Stop violating people's human rights to make their own individual medical choices. Their body, their choice, none of your business.

>Stop violating people's human rights to make their own individual medical choices. What are you even referring to? Literally no one has to get a vaccine if they don't want it. Nobody in the comment chain you're replying in had advocated for forced innoculation. This is 100% already a "their body, their choice" situation.

It's worse than that. They are literally rolling out misinformation--lies, really--to try to convince people to not get vaccinated. Comment history on the topic of COVID is littered with trollish behavior and bonkers-bad reasoning fitting a pattern.

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Post by jopsen »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #309

John Campbell suggested on his video the other day that perhaps this is happening because some injectors are not aspirating. What that means is that when an intramuscular injection is given you want to ensure that it goes into the muscle and not into a vein. So the proper way to do this is for the person doing the injection to first pull out the syringe (after it's been stuck into the arm) a bit to make sure there's…

> Apparently Denmark has included aspiration in their directions for usage of the AZ vaccine.

Great, so not only will I have to wait 2-3 months to get vaccinated..

They'll also stick the needle in and pull out a few times just to sure I'm really feeling it!!!

Sorry, but I really hate needles :/

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Post by stjohnswarts »

tacitusarc wrote: post #734
js2 wrote: post #702

The risk of dying from a blood clot after receiving the J&J vaccine is six in 6,800,000 (6.8M). The world population is 7,900,000,000 (7.9B). If everyone on the planet got the J&J vaccine tomorrow, and if it is the cause of the clots, then 6,971 people would die from the vaccine. Yesterday, Covid19 killed 8,803 people (according to worldometers). We don't want anyone to die from vaccination, and we don't fully unders…

6 obvious deaths that we're aware of. The risk of the vaccines is in their novelty and morbidity. An abundance of caution is required in this instance. It would be very bad to discover that there's a vanishingly small chance of blood clots within the first 3 months but a significant chance when paired with other events over the following decade.

I agree but only because about 5% of the vaccines currently distributed are J&J in the USA. The others will more than make up for it I'm sure. I think when we hit the wall and the supply outstrips the demand in the next few weeks as we approach 60-65% vaccinated and qanon and hippy antivaxxers are unwilling, I bet in month there will be so many open spots that they'll start cutting back manufacturing unless Biden convinces Moderna and Pfizer to keep going full speed ahead and we say distribute to Mexico/Central America/South American countries (like we ought to do).

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Post by tibbydudeza »

js2 wrote: post #702

The risk of dying from a blood clot after receiving the J&J vaccine is six in 6,800,000 (6.8M). The world population is 7,900,000,000 (7.9B). If everyone on the planet got the J&J vaccine tomorrow, and if it is the cause of the clots, then 6,971 people would die from the vaccine. Yesterday, Covid19 killed 8,803 people (according to worldometers). We don't want anyone to die from vaccination, and we don't fully unders…

People don't think like that.

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Post by disabled »

newaccount7 wrote: post #798
tacitusarc wrote: post #734

Earlier quoted context omitted.

6 obvious deaths that we're aware of. The risk of the vaccines is in their novelty and morbidity. An abundance of caution is required in this instance. It would be very bad to discover that there's a vanishingly small chance of blood clots within the first 3 months but a significant chance when paired with other events over the following decade.

So I created a new account for this to avoid linking personal information... I had blood clots in my lungs last week a few days after getting the J&J vaccine. I'm an otherwise totally healthy man in my 30s, no preconditions. The hospital reported it to the vaccine reporting agency, which I assume is reviewing all this information. I'm not sure if they considered my case when making this decision. My clots were differ…

I am so sorry. As somebody who has experienced pulmonary embolism, this is so scary.

Make sure to never forget to take your blood thinning medicine. You absolutely must get the blood clots completely dissolved, and the blood thinner medicine is highly effective at getting rid of it, if you take it.

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Post by tomcam »

newaccount7 wrote: post #798
tacitusarc wrote: post #734

Earlier quoted context omitted.

6 obvious deaths that we're aware of. The risk of the vaccines is in their novelty and morbidity. An abundance of caution is required in this instance. It would be very bad to discover that there's a vanishingly small chance of blood clots within the first 3 months but a significant chance when paired with other events over the following decade.

So I created a new account for this to avoid linking personal information... I had blood clots in my lungs last week a few days after getting the J&J vaccine. I'm an otherwise totally healthy man in my 30s, no preconditions. The hospital reported it to the vaccine reporting agency, which I assume is reviewing all this information. I'm not sure if they considered my case when making this decision. My clots were differ…

Thanks for sharing and for keeping such a clear mind. My best to you.

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Post by AlphaSite »

5cents wrote: post #797
phnofive wrote: post #399

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Similar to AZ, all six were women between the ages of 18 and 48.

20% male (1 patient) in this report https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104882

I think with numbers that small it’s hard to tell if it hat 1 male is purely a coincidence or not. Also I don’t know if percentages are useful either.
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