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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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We have a new lines drawn on acceptance for behavior towards sexuality, religion, women's rights and race since the 90's. The line has moved. The 90's was 30 years ago. I don't know your exact situation at all and criticism of you may indeed have been unfair. But for fucks sake don't try to make a case that you're not far-right by looking to the behavior of people in the past. That indicates strongly you may indeed h…

I think the commentor was as much concerned with the namespace pollution: to some people on the left, there doesn't seem to be a "right" (or even a "center"), anymore, only a "far right". This isn't because because they all share the same views, but rather because there's a lack of nuance to the language used by many people in discussing politics. (I say people because the same thing occurs in reverse when talking ab…

This is precisely my complaint.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Just the opposite, every community has a right to decide their future. If a community says 'we'd rather be homes and don't want to turn everything in to high-rises' then that's entirely their discretion. It's definitely not any individual townships moral or civic responsibility to change their community to accommodate either state/national strategic planning, especially for the benefit of people who do not even live…

Abusing police powers to curtail private property rights isn’t the high ground.

It is. The government is expected to prevent tragedy-of-the-commons troubles, spite houses, and other anti-social troubles. This is largely why we even have a government.

Suppose a person buys a house to retire in, on a peaceful quiet little street with plenty of room to park. The neighbors then build: an 80-story apartment tower, a supervised injection place for IV drug users, an organometalic peroxide production plant, a hog farm, and a tire recycling plant.

Maybe we overdo it, but yes, we're going to curtail private property rights.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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My birth certificate says "Texas" across the top and people have been "fleeing California" to Texas for as long as I've been alive. There's nothing special about Musk; he just happens to be high-profile about it and managed to extract more from California before decamping to a "cheap" state than several of those who came before him. I disagree with your assessment that Texas has wide acceptance for opposing viewpoint…

The liberal inner cores of Texas cities primarily grew up in these burbs and small towns, and know that despite being a MAGA bro, their uncle isn't satan incarnate. Compare that to the dirty looks I got walking around SF in a Buck-ees hat that happened to be red. It bordered upon comedy.

>Compare that to the dirty looks I got walking around SF in a Buck-ees hat that happened to be red. It bordered upon comedy.

For those who doubt you, I ask them to ponder the following:

Put on a "Make America Great Again" hat and walk through downtown Chicago, San Francisco, Ann Arbor, or Cambridge before or after election day 2016 (or 2020). Now, put on a "I'm With Her" or "Biden/Harris 2020" shirt and walk through Provo, Fort Worth, or Pensacola before or after election day. In which scenario are you more like to be yelled at and/or physically attacked?

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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I would love to move out of CA in the coming months. My spouse is begging me to. If my job were to finally announce permanent, optional WFH for employees, I list my house for sale that day. Same complaints: cost of living / taxes, quality of life, and kids' education. The only thing keeping me here is my current job and clear opportunities for future [tech] jobs. If WFH became the norm, I'm out of here in 50 millisec…

The key is to get out and keep your salary. If your job does go full WFH, you can most likely keep your salary and then move, but then if you want to find a new job in a couple years, finding that same SF salary will be much tougher. I live in Dallas and have friends in Austin. 6 figure jobs are available, but you won't find many (if any) of these 180-200+ type jobs outside SF and NYC. Granted, $120k-150 for a single…

You're not looking hard enough or don't have the experience necessary to get these jobs. There's plenty of these jobs in Austin.

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No they're not. You don't define the overton window, society does. I'm right of the democrats but I'm not far right, that's the society we live in.

This isn't up for debate. In economic terms, socialism is what the left looks like. Do you see anything that looks like "socialism" coming from the democratic party in the united states?

yes? you see people like yang advocating for things like UBI, and others like ocasio-cortez wanting similar programs along with other big spending programs like getting rid of student debt and free college.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Quote: "With a net worth of $134.7B, Musk recently surpassed Bill Gates as the second-richest person in the world, and he's on track to earn more than $50 billion in stock options. If he remained in California, he’d be facing income taxes on the profits when he exercises them. In Texas, there is no income tax. " Rest is blah blah, this right there is the real reason for such a move. Can't blame the man either, I'll d…

but why? I personally like Texas as a state more than California (terrain, weather, urban areas) but if I had that much money I wouldn't care if it was 80billion or 100 billion for God sakes how greedy can you be?

If I had to guess, he doesn't view the wealth as an end in and of itself. Rather, wealth is a means to achieve his stated goals: 1) to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy and 2) to make humans an interplanetary species. It's not too hard to imagine how these pursuits could benefit from an infusion of $xx billion.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

Lord you bought this story hook line and sinker...

> But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexist here. I like that...

You hear this a lot lately from tech bros. It's hilarious considering how many things are illegal in Texas. Ya you can buy an assault rifle, but its illegal to buy hard liquor on Sunday. Have you ever looked at their gerrymandering? Did you know during the 2016 election they didn't allow mail in ballots?

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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On the Joe Rogan podcast he has said he rents now.

Yep I was going to add this. It sounds like he doesn't care if he has 10 huge houses or not and renting works just fine for him. Although he should thinking about hedging with some real estate, but I guess he probably already does that :)

I gather that he's not really the kind of person to "hedge". He multiple times has gone "all in" on his businesses.

And honestly, once you have hundreds of billions of dollars across multiple companies, do you really need to hedge?

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Abusing police powers to curtail private property rights isn’t the high ground.

It is. The government is expected to prevent tragedy-of-the-commons troubles, spite houses, and other anti-social troubles. This is largely why we even have a government. Suppose a person buys a house to retire in, on a peaceful quiet little street with plenty of room to park. The neighbors then build: an 80-story apartment tower, a supervised injection place for IV drug users, an organometalic peroxide production pl…

> an 80-story apartment tower

If this is financially viable, that land must be worth a ton. Retiree should sell the property and stop monopolizing such valuable land. They'll have plenty of funds to use to move elsewhere

> a supervised injection place for IV drug users

Very few people want one of these built near them, which itself causes huge societal problems. We'd be better off in aggregate if more services for the poor could be built.

>an organometalic peroxide production plant, a hog farm, and a tire recycling plant

Unlikely to be built on expensive residential land, but if they were it would help fight climate change by reducing commute times, since employees can now live nearby. The existence of actual property rights allows ample housing to be built in this high-demand area

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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It's worse than that: The entire concept of "luxury housing" is a lie. The words "luxury housing" are designed to make you think that it is taking up space that could be used by non luxury housing. Like the only reason a new apartment is so expensive is because it has a gold-plated toilet or something, and if only the developer had built an apartment without a gold plated toilet you could afford it. But in Minneapoli…

Mind posting a zillow link or similar? I'm evaluating moving to different metro areas, and my research for Minnesota yielded higher costs.

I grew up in Minnesota, rural to cities.

I liken it to the California of the Midwest. Its nots the cheapest, its more middle of the road (though, I think in absolute terms there are places around Chicago that outpace the cost of the highest cost parts of Minneapolis-St. Paul Metro last time I looked, granted that was a few years ago).

Its culturally though, very liberal (from my own experience, tends to also be very much a democrat state). One thing I will say is Minnesota's public school system is great, and the collegiate system is both affordable and high quality, on average.

It's still cheaper than California, New York, Seattle, Portland etc. paying 2000 a month for a place to live in Minnesota is still very much not the norm, even in nice parts of the Twin Cities.

If you're willing to live up North a bit, Duluth is amazing, its mostly a college town now, and you can surf in the summers!

The downside is always the snow, though if you live in the Twin Cities there are upscale parts of downtown that have miles of indoor walkable paths that take you all over the city.

I really love the state. I've contemplated moving back several times. I just don't think my tech industry connections would carry over as well, so it would limit some of my job opportunities, even with this big push to work from home by a lot of companies. That will have to shake out for me personally first before I would consider moving back.

Though, they've done a decent job netting progressive employers and have in large part been able to avoid the economic collapse that hit much of the Midwest (the rust belt, in places like Ohio). I know a lot of people out there employed in highly trained manufacturing jobs (highly skilled CNC work, maintain automated manufacturing facilities etc.) and those jobs are the only ones in that sector that aren't leaving the USA in droves yet, plus there are a lot of medical technology companies there. Also, a lot of enterprise software companies have HQ or large presence in the cities as well.

It's not a startup scene like SF, but its changing. When I was a kid the state had these huge policy pushes to try and get people entering college to focus on technical degrees (be it 2-year technical school at a community college doing CNC machining and the like or 4-year degrees in engineering/cs). It's also one of the most educated populations in the country [0][1]

Now I just feel like I'm selling it. Though I want to mention one quirk about the population that stands up to everyone I know who has visited. Minnesota Nice [2] is alive and well still. People tend to just be more friendly there than anywhere else I've lived or travelled, and I've been through more than a dozen states from coast to coast. It's just a general demeanor thing. Thats not to say that everyone is nice all the time though, of course. I'd say on average you're less likely to have small confrontations though, than anywhere else I've been.

[0]: https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/outreach/back-to-s...

[1]: http://www.ohe.state.mn.us/fc/2108/pg.cfm

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_nice#:~:text=Minneso....

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