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Re: U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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Post by bostik »

d5lt5 wrote: post #853
ericmay wrote: post #823

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any country that developed sufficiently advanced models will pursue the same path. The EU as a regulatory body would pursue the same path, as will/is China. It’s rather straightforward to think through. If China (they’re practically the only competitor) built a sufficiently advanced AI system would they allow it to propagate on the free market? Of course not. The fact of the matter is that they are behind, even if it…

I think you view this situation from the US point of view and assume that China has the same guiding principles and values in their foreign policy, for which it doesn't. They might do what you said, of course. But they very well might also treat LLMs as another goodwill investment like the Belt and Road Initiative ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative ) and export the capability to partner countrie…

More likely the PRC sees the open-weight models' progress as a way to prevent an existing dominant player from cementing their (finicky) lead and pulling up the ladder.

That strategy happens to have beneficial side effects to the global Hoi Polloi, but to attach any kind of benevolence to it would be naive.

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Post by holoduke »

d5lt5 wrote: post #853
ericmay wrote: post #823

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any country that developed sufficiently advanced models will pursue the same path. The EU as a regulatory body would pursue the same path, as will/is China. It’s rather straightforward to think through. If China (they’re practically the only competitor) built a sufficiently advanced AI system would they allow it to propagate on the free market? Of course not. The fact of the matter is that they are behind, even if it…

I think you view this situation from the US point of view and assume that China has the same guiding principles and values in their foreign policy, for which it doesn't. They might do what you said, of course. But they very well might also treat LLMs as another goodwill investment like the Belt and Road Initiative ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative ) and export the capability to partner countrie…

They have the same values. Domination it is. People are people. Really no difference between the US and China. None at all.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #554
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #246

> Only companies approved by the government will get access. There is no process for individual users to get access to the new model. I knew the time would come when individuals on personal subscriptions get the short end of the stick. Didn't think it would come so soon. I hope we're not too badly deprecated in the months to come. Looks like I've got to improve my DeepSeek workflows.

From the OpenAI press release: > We don’t believe this kind of government access process should become the long-term default. It keeps the best tools from users, developers, enterprises, cyber defenders, and global partners who need them. We are taking this short-term step because we believe it is the strongest path to broader availability in the coming weeks, while we work with the Administration to develop the cybe…

When it comes to government, nothing is more permanent than a temporary solution.

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Post by noisy_boy »

iAMkenough wrote: post #713
microgpt wrote: post #680

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this regulatory capture? Any new LLM company can just exist outside of the US and export to everyone.

Until they can’t.

It is as if people can't imagine the concept of sanctions despite their liberal use over the years.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

varispeed wrote: post #290
rgbrenner wrote: post #283

Im not worried about this at all. The OpenAI, Anthropic and the US government can play this game all they want... They're just accelerating the development of open source models; and helping destroy the lead the US has built in AI, and their profit margins along with it. This is like the battle between PostgreSQL and Oracle all over. Move up market, isolate yourself to enterprises, and watch while everyone else build…

That until it becomes illegal to have or use open source models without approval and licence from government. With more talks about on device scanning, this could be easily plumbed in. If OS detects there is open source model, it could brick your device or alert authorities. Then next step will be limiting what operating system you can install. Likely only those where you cannot remove client side scanning.

This is getting terrifying pretty quick...

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Post by matheusmoreira »

Sol- wrote: post #348
pixelpoet wrote: post #133

Are these models still relevant for people outside the US? I get the impression we're stuck on GPT 5.5 and Opus 4.8 pretty much permanently now, and relying on Chinese models in future.

If the US really cracks down on frontier model access, you'll see them make Chinese open models illegal. You might say "oh well, let them try", but they will just put direct and secondary sanctions on every company whose systems have used Chinese models in some way. They just have to make an example out of a few international companies and no one will dare to use Chinese frontier models, at least commercially.

And the chinese will just lie down and take this without doing anything?

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Post by huflungdung »

rzerowan wrote: post #666
jmward01 wrote: post #604

This is regulatory capture in action. This will make it hard/impossible for new vendors to come into the market and only established companies will get to play, and charge, for LLMs. What does this mean for open source? Will it become illegal to download weights? What about train your own? Are we heading to a world where GPU use is regulated to ensure that illegal LLMs aren't being processed on your machine? More bro…

As far as Europe is concerned they have recently signed up to the 'Pax Silica'[1] and willingly givrn the LLM space over to the US incumbents with buildtin legislation banning Chinese models and coperation with them. So EU will be a renter of the LLMs that the US allows them to use. In the long run OpenSource will dominate as it did in the DB(MySQL/Postgres)/ServerOS(Linux/BSDs) versus Proprietery rent seeking alts l…

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Post by ElFitz »

d5lt5 wrote: post #853
ericmay wrote: post #823

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any country that developed sufficiently advanced models will pursue the same path. The EU as a regulatory body would pursue the same path, as will/is China. It’s rather straightforward to think through. If China (they’re practically the only competitor) built a sufficiently advanced AI system would they allow it to propagate on the free market? Of course not. The fact of the matter is that they are behind, even if it…

I think you view this situation from the US point of view and assume that China has the same guiding principles and values in their foreign policy, for which it doesn't. They might do what you said, of course. But they very well might also treat LLMs as another goodwill investment like the Belt and Road Initiative ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative ) and export the capability to partner countrie…

Belt and Road wasn’t goodwill.

A lot of it was financed through large (sometimes unsustainable) loans to recipient countries, sometimes leading to unsustainable debt burdens, irrespective of the potential ROI for the recipient (ie Sri Lanka’s port).

In many cases, much of that debt paid for Chinese companies, contractors, suppliers, and imported workers who built or operated the projects.

And the infrastructure didn’t necessarily line up with the recipient’s actual needs, mostly with China’s (ie the Laos–China railway, in large part financed by Laotian debt, which may someday bring some benefits to Laos, but mostly serves China’s regional trade ambitions).

Not to say other countries do it better or have purer ambitions or whatever. It’s just the "goodwill" part that made me twitch.

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Post by CalRobert »

jdkee wrote: post #747
rzerowan wrote: post #666

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as Europe is concerned they have recently signed up to the 'Pax Silica'[1] and willingly givrn the LLM space over to the US incumbents with buildtin legislation banning Chinese models and coperation with them. So EU will be a renter of the LLMs that the US allows them to use. In the long run OpenSource will dominate as it did in the DB(MySQL/Postgres)/ServerOS(Linux/BSDs) versus Proprietery rent seeking alts l…

europe2031.ai

Was looking for this. It’s a great short story (it starts with real events and then predicts the future) leading to European fealty to US . Seems increasingly plausible.
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