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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by rixed »

nine_k wrote: post #858
alcasa wrote: post #746

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I fear people will just get used to it. Nobody gets tailored clothing anyhmore and people don't question that we have standardized sizes that don't really fit anyone properly. People commonly buy standardized furniture and rarely get something to a specific for their room. If cheaper software (I mean thats mostly what it is) gets the job done, we will probably just keep doing that, even if that means we lose somethin…

It's the opposite, it becomes economically viable to produce tailor-made software for more narrow purposes. Coding becomes cheaper, resources free up for adjusting to the customer's problem more precisely.

The same could have been said from the sewing machine.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by nine_k »

rixed wrote: post #861
nine_k wrote: post #858

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It's the opposite, it becomes economically viable to produce tailor-made software for more narrow purposes. Coding becomes cheaper, resources free up for adjusting to the customer's problem more precisely.

The same could have been said from the sewing machine.

Correct, various alteration services have been made much more affordable by the sewing machine.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by johnfn »

gordonhart wrote: post #814
johnfn wrote: post #809

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I think Sora is an excellent way to see how people's beliefs clash with reality. Even in this post, I see people likening Sora to unveiling "a weapon", it filling them with "bland dread", or comparing it to creating "killing robots". But now that Sora is being shut down, what impact did Sora actually have on society, other than getting a couple of people to waste their time making some funny meme videos? Did any of t…

At least according to the Head of Product at X, Sora was by far the most widely used tool to create fake war videos[0] aiming to push various false narratives. Given how popular fake content is at Meta I can only imagine what they see there (if they even have anybody looking at this kind of thing). [0] https://x.com/nikitabier/status/2029024577624650041

I understand that misinformation is a bad thing, and your point is taken that I was probably too quick to brush off the worst thing that Sora did as 'some funny memes'. But still. Photoshop is used to make a lot of misinformation, probably 1000x to 10,000x as much as Sora did, or even more than that. Does anyone say the latest version of Photoshop is like unveiling a weapon? Does anyone say that AI driven generative fill in Photoshop is like creating killing robots?

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by exodust »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #525
exodust wrote: post #482

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> there are people who pay $300 a month for Grok to generate AI Porn. Did you just make that up? Grok barely makes "M-rated" nudity, let alone porn. Musk recently claimed it can do "R-Rated content", but his post got a community note saying otherwise. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2031989543529038103

You haven’t been over to r/grok_porn… Grok has gotten a lot stricter about video from uploaded images. But it is still able to make realistic x rated porn from AI generated images it creates. There are various jailbreaks that have been working for the longest and still work, just a brief look, half of them just involve “anime borders” and “transparent anime watermarks” over videos.

> jailbreaks

Your comment made it sound like "out of the box" Grok can generate AI porn. It can't.

That reddit sub you mention is tame compared to something like unstable_diffusion where the AI-porn hobbyists use locally installed models. Some of the comments in the grok_porn sub are complaining about censorship, and literally complaining about how the anime hack isn't working. So you've only confirmed my point and contradicted your own.

I've been messing around with sci-fi horror themes including graphic gore. Grok now does gore when before it wouldn't. When I tried nudity, it refused. This is with AI-generated images from scratch, nothing uploaded.

Even "romantic love scene between consenting adults" was denied by Grok. It did 6 seconds of lightweight kissing, then refused to continue. The overwhelming evidence is that Grok does not ordinarily do "AI Porn". It doesn't advertise that it does, and won't produce it in normal circumstances when prompted.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by exodust »

4ggr0 wrote: post #668
exodust wrote: post #482

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> there are people who pay $300 a month for Grok to generate AI Porn. Did you just make that up? Grok barely makes "M-rated" nudity, let alone porn. Musk recently claimed it can do "R-Rated content", but his post got a community note saying otherwise. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2031989543529038103

dude, there was a huge scandal a couple of weeks ago about grok creating CSAM... https://www.forbes.com/sites/martinadilicosa/2026/01/09/grok...

So Musk's ex-girlfriend makes allegations about images nobody has seen but her, and you're locking that in as a confirmed scandal? Okay dude!

Many users including Musk responded at the time saying he's seen literally zero underage images generated by Grok:

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2011432649353511350

Anyone can use a range of offline tools and processes to generate nasty images, then blame whoever they want for that image. But who cares about that when there's outrage to spread am I right?

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by teekert »

yoz-y wrote: post #505
meken wrote: post #163

I had so much fun making videos with my mom when it came out. During the first two weeks, we made over 100 cameo videos together - we were constantly running up against the upload limit. It unleashed tons of genuine creativity, joy, and laughter from us. After those first two weeks though, we just… didn’t use it again. The novelty wore off and there wasn’t anything really to bring us back. That was the real downfall…

The problem is that due to the ease these can be made there is also really no reason to make this social. “Why would I look at somebody else’s creations when I can do mine.”

Didn't we used to think the same of Photos?

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by muskstinks »

heavyset_go wrote: post #832
muskstinks wrote: post #766

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Coding is one topic but the big one is agentic ai. You will have an agent like your seo expert, this agent will be able to use common tools like google seo, facebook seo etc. and you will teach how you want it to do its 'job'. You will have a way of delivering your requirements to it, it will run in the background, might ask for feedback but will otherwise do stuff similiar to whatever person was doing it before. The…

This is a pipe dream, models are mistake machines and agents are mistake amplifiers. This only "works" for toy projects, things that don't really matter and nothing that can cost you business, money, clients or time.

There are two ways and all of it in context of billions of dollars the richest companies in the world are investing with the smartest people working on it.

These big companies want to see whats going to happen with more parameters and are already quite deep in it. So that momentum will push us easily through 2026 and nothing will collapse in 2027 just because.

So we will see if we hit a hard plateu or not, i do not see any plateu at all. I see constant progress on every single front, faster models, faster inferencing, etc.

I also see the biggest reinforcement loop we ever have created by a small amount of companies getting real human feedback every single day by saying things like thanks, thumbs up/down, or "thats wrong", "i meant x not y" etc.

And there are plenty of ways of doing a transition from 100% human to 100% agents. Like feedback loops, human in the loop, human approval for critical steps, etc.

And i think we will continue spending time and energy working at these problems in the future and no longer on just reimplementing the same crud application.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by p0w3n3d »

ynx0 wrote: post #796
p0w3n3d wrote: post #786

Sora shocked people but the real effect was and is that now people don't believe what the're shown. How many fingers Israeli PM has, was Russia Dictator alive, etc. Is this good? Critical thinking - maybe... uncertainity... not really.

I think that it’s better that everyone collectively realize that video is no longer default-trustworthy in a widespread manner, if the alternative would have been the public finding out only after a long cycle of misuse by high-level actors and subsequent whistleblowing à la PRISM/Snowden.

however the forensic or semi-forensic tools should be given to people to help them verify the videos. On the other hand I suspect that these tools are not released so wrongdoers are not able to test their fakes against the tools (security by obscurity)

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by 4ggr0 »

exodust wrote: post #865
4ggr0 wrote: post #668

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dude, there was a huge scandal a couple of weeks ago about grok creating CSAM... https://www.forbes.com/sites/martinadilicosa/2026/01/09/grok...

So Musk's ex-girlfriend makes allegations about images nobody has seen but her, and you're locking that in as a confirmed scandal? Okay dude! Many users including Musk responded at the time saying he's seen literally zero underage images generated by Grok: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2011432649353511350 Anyone can use a range of offline tools and processes to generate nasty images, then blame whoever they want for…

that's just one of the examples/sources, here's more if you really care, https://counterhate.com/research/grok-floods-x-with-sexualiz...

also, using Musk as a source...yeah, sure. as if that's any better than sourcing his ex. if Musk says he's seen none then there are none, after all he never lies and always takes criticism about his companies seriously. good job playing down the situation, classy act. we're not talking about some difference in opinions here, it's about deepfakes including children. remember, it would be an issue without children being involved, that just makes it a magnitude worse.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by sfn42 »

Gooblebrai wrote: post #844
sfn42 wrote: post #524

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I haven't followed him much as I really don't care, but the one clip I've seen of him that really stands out to me (I've seen more but this is the one I remember) is one where he's talking to some guy who doubts the LLMs genius, and Sam says something like "what if ChatGPT solved quantum gravity, would you be convinced then?" To me, this just came off as pathetic. It hasn't solved anything and there's no reason to be…

> He's holding the guy verbally hostage just to manipulate dumb viewers. Why? The other person can say "Yes". That doesn't mean ChatGPT has the capability to do it?

That's the point. The other guy can only say yes - if chatgpt solved a hard problem and improved our understanding of the universe there would be no discussion as to its capability to do so.

"No" is not a reasonable answer to the question. It's like asking an atheist "if god and Jesus and all the angels came to earth and showed themselves for all to see, would you believe in god then?" Well yes of course, I believe in all the things we can all see. The lack of evidence is the whole point.

So asking "if there was evidence would you think differently?" Is either a fundamental misunderstanding of the persons position, or just a cheap ploy to manipulate people. In Sam's case I'm thinking it was the latter. He's a clever guy, he knows he's on camera. He asked that question just to plant the idea in people's minds - not the guy he was talking to, that guy didn't even need to answer the question because as already said there's only one answer to it. But to everyone watching, Sam basically just put it out there that ChatGPT solving quantum gravity is within the realm of possibility. Which it probably isn't.

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