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Using AI to negotiate a $195k hospital bill down to $33k

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Re: Using AI to negotiate a $195k hospital bill down to $33k

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It's not a democracy. You were told wrong, it's a republic.

Well it was a democratic republic. Now it is an electoral autocracy. He fixed it so good those christians will never have (or be able) to vote again. Just like he said he would. A Republic where the representatives are chosen by a popular vote are still democracies.

The representatives are chosen by the Electoral College, not the popular vote. The U.S. is not a democracy.

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The only major differences I can think of are gun ownership and abortion. What freedoms were you referring to?

Speech?

Can you be more specific? What sort of thing could you say in the US that would cause government action if you said it in Canada? Those freedoms are fading fast under this administration at any rate.

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There are very few countries in the world that are not a representative democracy. Switzerland is a well-known example of a country where citizens directly vote on most legislation, but in most other countries, you have a parliament, congress, etc that represents the people.

That doesn't really have anything to do with the ways in which the US is an unrepresentative democracy.

No, but it does with singling them out in particular.

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Your wand would also need to erase the reason people speak (or don’t speak) the languages they do, otherwise what you said would already be true for the UK, Australia, etc.

Would it? People don’t exclusively learn English to migrate to the US. What language do you think Germans and Spaniards use to do commerce with each other? There needs to be a common language, there’s no bandwidth to learn all languages, so due to historical and modern reasons, English prevailed. Re Australia, Australians have highly preferential options to move to US which is not reciprocated.

So you are already saying it isn't just language, your wand would also need to erase "preferential options" facilitating the direction of migration. Which is what I said but in different words.

Re: Using AI to negotiate a $195k hospital bill down to $33k

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The American Medical Association owns copyright to all the codes and their descriptions. They have an extremely restrictive and expensive licensing options and they strictly forbid training models with the codes. This month, the practice was called out ( https://www.help.senate.gov/rep/newsroom/press/chair-cassidy... ) so the Overton window may be opening. The AMA (a nonprofit!) clears ~$300M/year revenue from the co…

Google tells me that the AMA made about 468 million last year in revenue. If they made that much from the codes it seems like they wouldn't necessarily pass the IRS Public Support test. (Unless somehow this licensing counts as "public support." I seem to remember this test is why the Mozilla Foundation and the Mozilla Corporation exist, but I could be mistaken. Edit: Seems that the AMA is a 501c6, which is a differen…

Right, it seems a lot like the public support test fails for the AMA -- their purpose and actions are highly misaligned on CPTs, but IANAL.

Re: Using AI to negotiate a $195k hospital bill down to $33k

#866

The American Medical Association owns copyright to all the codes and their descriptions. They have an extremely restrictive and expensive licensing options and they strictly forbid training models with the codes. This month, the practice was called out ( https://www.help.senate.gov/rep/newsroom/press/chair-cassidy... ) so the Overton window may be opening. The AMA (a nonprofit!) clears ~$300M/year revenue from the co…

> extremely restrictive and expensive licensing options The license is meaningless if training AI is considered fair use, and if you never agreed to the license. They might be able to lean heavily on medical researchers and the like (who probably need a license for other uses), but when push comes to shove I suspect Google and OpenAI would win.

The bigger issue is software development, imo. eg the IT team at a hospital or the medical office can't build a tool to help coding efficiency or accuracy. Further, public resources/websites with code-related information get DMCA takedowns. It's a stranglehold on innovation/progress.

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FoxNews has only been the number one TV news channel for the last 20 something years because almost everyone under 40 doesn't watch TV anymore. Yes, there are a lot of conservatives in the US, but the demographics is really skewed if you just look at people who watch TV and have cable.

Yes, but older people vote and young people don't. I haven't owned a TV my entire adult life (in my 40s now), so I agree with you, but it's hard to imagine Trump and the current Republican party without Fox News.

> it's hard to imagine Trump and the current Republican party without Fox News.

Not Twitter and the Internet? As a non-boomer that's been the majority of the activity I've seen from people around my age.

Re: Using AI to negotiate a $195k hospital bill down to $33k

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We don't know if that's really accurate, because you're conveniently ignoring 2016. If Trump were never initially president, would he have ever become one? Maybe, maybe not. But 2024 surely would have looked very different.

This only serves to reenforce the fact that the US is not a functioning democracy, if the will of the voters is not reflected.

Is it not? He did still win the popular vote.

Re: Using AI to negotiate a $195k hospital bill down to $33k

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post #539

The American Medical Association owns copyright to all the codes and their descriptions. They have an extremely restrictive and expensive licensing options and they strictly forbid training models with the codes. This month, the practice was called out ( https://www.help.senate.gov/rep/newsroom/press/chair-cassidy... ) so the Overton window may be opening. The AMA (a nonprofit!) clears ~$300M/year revenue from the co…

$300M/year is less than $1 per person. This is not why healthcare is expensive.

It's ~$1/person direct, but how much indirect cost? Things become inexpensive when automation and technological progress makes them so, and the code copyright and restriction is a major barrier to do that.
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