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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by airtonix »

ivanmontillam wrote: post #511
Arch-TK wrote: post #449

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Microsoft continues to produce absolute garbage (except now it's also adware) and continues to utilise aggressive tactics to gain market share. They deserve plenty of hate.

I can agree anti-consumer behaviour is still ingrained in parts of Microsoft, as a dormant beast waiting to be Ballmer-ized for a new round. But again, why the baseless argument based on hate? You can (for example) de-bloat Windows 11 out from the telemetry and annoying widgets nobody uses, including the invasive Copilot. After de-bloating, it's a decent OS on its own. I should have the right to have a clean Windows…

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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by shortrounddev2 »

preisschild wrote: post #824
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #294

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I just switched from Github to Gitlab. For anyone who is interested in doing the same, but doubtful because of the effort required: Gitlab has a pretty good migration tool. You authenticate against your github account and gitlab will import all your repos for you. We've been using gitlab at work for a bit and the CI/CD took a little getting used to but I'm overall happy with Gitlab. Some people think a github presenc…

Gitlab seems to also be going into the "AI slop" direction, unfortunately, while core CI/CD features get sidelined... Forgejo/Codeberg seems interesting

How do you mean? I dont hold it against a company just for having an AI offering. The thing with github/Microsoft is theyre really forcing it down your throat. Github copilot is now a default UI element in Visual Studio and every time I open it up they say "use github copilot, its free!". Every update to visual studio is all about their AI crap now and legit IDE features are always listed at the end

Plus github has also been trying to be a social media sites for a while, too, which I never really apprecisted. The only reason I ever used github in the first place, as a personal user, was because its what everyone else uses on their resume. But I no longer put personal projects on my resume so I dont see the point in using github anymore. We use gitlab at work and it works great.

Though the other providers look good, too. Im not trying to denigrate them. Codeberg, however, looks like it requires a subscription fee, and im just not using enough features of my git provider to justify paying for it

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by croes »

thiht wrote: post #580
yencabulator wrote: post #496

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> I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to something open. Try using VSCodium legally with the same functionality as VSCode; remote development, Python language server, C++ debugging, and so on. People who think Microsoft is doing open source work for the good of their hearts are still in for a lesson in EEE. https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/blob/master/docs/exte…

These are extensions. No one is preventing OSS communities from developing their own remote dev, Python, and C++ extensions. The VSCode extension API allows it. There are actually some efforts being made to do it.

I think it's not about the extensions but the market place.

You can't use the MS extensions with VS Codium, you are forced to use VS Code.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by croes »

thiht wrote: post #583
rahkiin wrote: post #484

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VsCode is in a weird licensing limbo, or some of its microsoft plugins are anyway

No, it’s pretty clear. Some extensions are NOT open source. It’s not ambiguous, and there’s nothing wrong with that as long as these extensions don’t have superpowers (ie. access to unexposed VSCode APIs)

What's wrong is that those extensions don't work with VS Codium because VS Codium isn't allowed to access the VS Code marketplace. Why?

Imagine Google blocking Edge from using Chrome extensions.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by debugnik »

ezst wrote: post #521
jayd16 wrote: post #478

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If you're writing a server or a web app then its good and runs well. Visual Studio is still not ported to Linux or Mac, you need to use Rider or VSCode. If you use JetBrains for Java, using Rider will feel good no matter where you are. The GUI library situation is a tough one. In many ways its far more advanced than other languages but their newest attempt is not as good as the older Windows only API. But what other…

Re: GUI library situation, are you implying that they finally came up with something that's cross platform? What is it?

They tried, by forking Xamarin Forms into MAUI, and even then they ignored Linux. It's really rough though, to the point many projects use it as just a glorified webview for Blazor. I expect it to eventually go into a silent maintenance mode along with WinUI 3.

Avalonia is the go-to library for cross-platform UI in .NET right now. But Microsoft's own apps have been switching to web stacks, in a clear case of "Do as I say, not as I do."

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by rawling »

rawling wrote: post #320
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #78

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Are there any improvements to be done to Git? It seems like kind of a solved problem, like word processors or spreadsheets… most “improvements” to those are diminishing returns. I don't mean to sounds like an MS apologist, btw. I fully predicted and hoped for an exodus from Github to GitLab or something back when it got acquired — I'm from the Microsux generation.

I've just been shunted from TFS Git (Azure DevOps?) to GitHub. The PR UI is taking some getting used to. Dev changes code near a comment I made? Comment is marked "Outdated" and hidden. If I open it, can I see what change they made next to the comment? Nope, I have to go find it manually! It sorts X.Y below X.Y.A, X.Y.B etc. in the file listing. When I select a file in the listing I'd like to just have that file open…

Finding conflicts in a PR between two branches that can merge cleanly if I do it locally.

Not letting you resolve conflicts in the UI if the source branch is protected, even though the UI gives you the option to commit the resolution to a new branch if you do it for an unprotected source branch.

Updating the source branch in the PR if you choose to do the above - something you can't do yourself!

Not showing branches in a hierarchy (as if they were directory paths)

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by Fulgen »

joduplessis wrote: post #219

I'm starting to really detest the AI-everywhere thing. You're starting to feel it absolutely everywhere - good products turning shit just to capitalize on the hype.

> You're starting to feel it absolutely everywhere

Starting to? 30-50% of the HN front page has been consisting of articles about LLMs for months now, to the point that a user script to hide all AI articles vastly improves the experience.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by azangru »

meindnoch wrote: post #404
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

> For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for:

- Creating a language (typescript) that took the front-end web community by storm.

- Becoming one of the real adopters of "progressive web apps". Apple is actively hostile to them, because they would eat into the 30% cut they are making from the apps distributed via the app store; Google, once a champion, has grown kinda tepid, because it also gets a cut from apps distributed via Google Play; but Microsoft now behave as if they are a believer.

- Shipping a tremendously popular text editor, Visual Studio Code.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by rs186 »

arielcostas wrote: post #837
rs186 wrote: post #412

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Thank you, this does not get discussed enough on HN. I used to look forward to monthly releases of VSCode and actually read the changelog carefully to see what new features/enhancements I could make use of. These days I just glance and ignore it completely -- almost everything is Copilot, MCP blahblah. Such a disappointment. You would think with all the AI magic, they would deliver more "core editor" features/enhance…

Do you really miss stuff in VS Code's core editor? I mean, coming to think about it, VS Code feels "feature complete", I haven't found in other editors features that I thought "wish I had this in VS Code". Not to justify the whole changelog being about Copilot (isn't it supposed to be a separate extension anyway?), but I guess it's either that or going for a while without updates, or really small changes you'd probab…

Just look at open issues, sorted by most thumbs up:

https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20st...

One that I am interested in is tree sitter syntax highlighting support: https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/50140

There are a ton of things that could be done. The fact that you haven't personally needed more features doesn't mean it's "feature complete". Not even close. You just haven't hit those pain points in your workflow.

Also, look at what May 2024 changelog looks like https://code.visualstudio.com/updates/v1_90

vs most recent one https://code.visualstudio.com/updates/v1_103

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by cess11 »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #595
kokanee wrote: post #589

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Your comment warrants a post in its own right: let's rank FAANG/M by evilness. Personally I've always been way more afraid of Google, because Microsoft's evil is just old-school capitalism, which is blatant, brash, and harder to ignore than to identify. Google feels like they are quietly and surreptitiously trying to pull the strings of the online economy in their favor, voraciously consuming the world's data behind…

Ranking evil is hard, but I'd rank Amazon's control of global supply chains as more evil than at least Meta. While Meta got WhatsApp, which is big. (Escaping Facebook, Instagram etc is a lot simpler)

Project Nimbus is Amazon and Google together. Meta was early on the genocidal train, in e.g. Myanmar and Ethiopia, as well as adjacent to the 'regime change' obsession of usian elites.

Arguably they're all atrocious due to effects on environment and labour rights.

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