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Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by jmnicolas »

mediascreen wrote: post #412

I think we (in the EU) will soon realise the bizarre consequences of these regulations. European startups will not be able to use standard SaaS or PaaS tools (like AWS, Azure, Mailchimp, PayPal etc) if they are based in the US (like most of them are). No cloud services, no Office 365 or Google Workspace. It will take forever to build up a similar ecosystem in Europe and I think most successful European entrepreneurs…

> I think we (in the EU) will soon realise the bizarre consequences of these regulations.

Wait until you see the result of the green revolution: you'll pay your energy 3 times more than now.

We'll need decades to recover (if we recover) from this ideological move from people that lives in la la land and have no idea of the consequences of their acts.

It already has started with natural gas prices skyrocketing. The Russians are holding us by the balls and our politicians are spitting at their faces...

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by jonas21 »

kyletns wrote: post #841
VikingCoder wrote: post #821

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, so, let's say that France decides that HN info is PII. So then Hacker News has to launch servers in France. And then French HN users are in an island, and only see other French HN users' posts and comments. And, to be clear, you think that's a good thing?

Do you think it would be difficult to allow the different HN servers to federate their content across regions?

Would it be impossible? No. But would it be, say, 5x the amount of effort to build and maintain a federated system with no data stored across boundaries? Probably.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by luibelgo »

VikingCoder wrote: post #821
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #706

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet was designed to be resilient in the face of nuclear war. If it can't handle governments that actually protect their citizens from predation by multinational corporations, then we should rethink some things about the direction that we've taken with it.

Sure, so, let's say that France decides that HN info is PII. So then Hacker News has to launch servers in France. And then French HN users are in an island, and only see other French HN users' posts and comments. And, to be clear, you think that's a good thing?

To be clear, you are underestimating the population size of European countries, as if would be a drama to lose HN or simply fork it.

I love hackernews, but there’s way more world out there to discover.

This is protecting EU citizens from EEUU companies having a free lunch on their data.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by 6gvONxR4sf7o »

VikingCoder wrote: post #796
titzer wrote: post #793

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It isn't about "one computer talking to another", it's about where sensitive information is stored. It has never been legal to store classified US intelligence on computers outside of the control of the US government. That's an extreme example, but the handling of many types of information is prescribed by laws in different jurisdictions. Does that mean that US computers cannot "talk" to another other computers? No.…

I think you're ignoring the harm done to small businesses who cannot afford to implement decentralized services. You are raising the barrier to entry, limiting competition. Competition is good for so many reasons. I think you're deliberately ignoring the impact on small companies and not grasping the larger picture.

Those poor small international businesses? If you want to do business internationally, it'll be complicated, and that's fine. The internet has spoiled us by making it so easy for a while.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by luibelgo »

jmnicolas wrote: post #861
mediascreen wrote: post #412

I think we (in the EU) will soon realise the bizarre consequences of these regulations. European startups will not be able to use standard SaaS or PaaS tools (like AWS, Azure, Mailchimp, PayPal etc) if they are based in the US (like most of them are). No cloud services, no Office 365 or Google Workspace. It will take forever to build up a similar ecosystem in Europe and I think most successful European entrepreneurs…

> I think we (in the EU) will soon realise the bizarre consequences of these regulations. Wait until you see the result of the green revolution: you'll pay your energy 3 times more than now. We'll need decades to recover (if we recover) from this ideological move from people that lives in la la land and have no idea of the consequences of their acts. It already has started with natural gas prices skyrocketing. The Ru…

Out of curiosity, where did you get that 3x claim on green energy? And how is that related to Gas?

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by Vespasian »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #778
Vespasian wrote: post #717

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Critically, they want access for for free. The US does not have to give anything in return to get all the private data from EU they want. The EU in return gets...nothing. If you are a politician this is not a great position, you get no money, no jobs and no data. If they equalize data access, "data sharing" (on an intelligence and on a commerical level) could be a valuable component of future negotiations.

> The EU in return gets...nothing. The EU gets the services they use....

Of course the users do (and pay for it)

However from a political standpoint that's as good as nothing.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by tpxl »

bliteben wrote: post #321
tpxl wrote: post #54

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> Is the EU going to drag them all into court? Why would they need to? Just hand out fines, like you do with traffic tickets, no courts required.

I would venture most of the internet is not hosted in the EU. You expect US, Chinese, and Japanese citizens to respect an EU fine for a law they have no say in? Sure they are doing "business" in the EU, but many of them are not doing business at all.

> You expect US, Chinese, and Japanese citizens to respect an EU fine for a law they have no say in?

No. What is the EU going to do, besides nothing? If you do business in the EU they will take your business away, and if you don't there's nothing they can do. I'm sure we all break some foreign countries laws every day and there's nothing they can do about it.

I do expect fines to be handed to EU companies and I expect them to pay them though.

> I would venture most of the internet is not hosted in the EU

Most content isn't made in the US, and the US somehow still forced its copyright system on the world.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by [deleted] »

VikingCoder wrote: post #821
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #706

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet was designed to be resilient in the face of nuclear war. If it can't handle governments that actually protect their citizens from predation by multinational corporations, then we should rethink some things about the direction that we've taken with it.

Sure, so, let's say that France decides that HN info is PII. So then Hacker News has to launch servers in France. And then French HN users are in an island, and only see other French HN users' posts and comments. And, to be clear, you think that's a good thing?

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Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by native_samples »

forty wrote: post #802
jonny_eh wrote: post #758

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> do you believe no good ISPs exist in France Nothing comparable to AWS/GCP/Azure.

There are AWS and Azure regions in France. GCP should open one early 2022.

But they don't count because they're still controlled from the USA.

Re: Use of Google Analytics declared illegal by French data protection authority

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Post by [deleted] »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #706
VikingCoder wrote: post #667

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You are absolutely fragmenting the internet. We had PII on Azure. We wanted to do business in France. We had to fork our services, and run a full stack on a crappy provider in France. They charged a lot more, would take weeks of vacation with zero support for us. It was a freaking nightmare. EDIT: I love the responses I'm getting. People are in absolute denial that this does in fact fragment the internet. You may bel…

The internet was designed to be resilient in the face of nuclear war. If it can't handle governments that actually protect their citizens from predation by multinational corporations, then we should rethink some things about the direction that we've taken with it.

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