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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by mcguire »

trhway wrote: post #838
ddoolin wrote: post #752

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On the surface, this seems like FUD or at least exaggerated. Anecdotally, Americans across the spectrum are at least weary of China if not openly hostile. China does have a lot of corporate influence at the upper levels and corporations do pull many of the levers of government here, but on an individual level, I don't think it's that's dramatic. Although this topic has been sensationalized a lot, personally I don't t…

> Anecdotally, Americans across the spectrum are at least weary of China if not openly hostile. I don't think so. Just look at what Americans buy. Money talks. Lip service doesn't count. >on an individual level, I don't think it's that's dramatic. the frog just doesn't notice the boiling. For example how discussing Chinese origin of covid got branded as racist in the public mentality - i think that branding is a grea…

Discussing the Chinese origin of COVID got branded because racists were using it as an excuse to attack Asians in America, including those who weren't of Chinese descent or whose families had immigrated many decades ago.

Yes, if you accuse the waitress at a Chinese restaurant of being responsible for COVID, you are racist.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by nneonneo »

fartcannon wrote: post #844
nneonneo wrote: post #824

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I feel compelled to clarify this: Hong Kong is part of China, and has been since 1997. Saying that Hong Kong is not part of China is like saying that Texas is not part of the United States because at one point they seceded. These days, Texas has no more right to secede from the US than Hong Kong from China, even if there are people in both territories who would prefer full independence. Consequently, to a Chinese per…

Are the current rulers of China related to the Qing dynasty?

If you're intending to imply that the British didn't need to hand over Hong Kong because China changed rulers, I'm afraid that's not really how the law works. And, in any case, the negotiation of 1984 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration) between Britain and the PRC set up Hong Kong to become a PRC territory in 1997.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by toss1 »

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Perhaps. Indeed, I haven't done a controlled study. It has just jumped out at me how consistently and reliably items on that topic generate those responses. It's also consistent with available open-source info on ops of the CCP and Russian govt. which include social media trolling to promote their POV, undermine rival POVs, and/or sow discord (and considering the ROI on such ops, they'd be negligent to not do them co…

>"which include social media trolling to promote their POV, undermine rival POVs, and/or sow discord" If you really believe that the other side does not do exactly the same I have a bridge to sell. China and Russia are geopolitical rivals of the US. The US will not tolerate it and will use anything to counter. Including that trolling you just mentioned. And I would not blame the US for doing it. It is natural (not sa…

I'm not expressing an opinion or any information on US-originated psyops as it applies to foreign social media.

As you, I'd expect that it exists, but I have little information on the extent. I'd assume it is competent, but it isn't relevant here, since the overall topic is about CCP operations on the grounds of a US university and operations here in a US-based online forum.

If you have information of interest on US ops in foreign (to the US) social media, please post it!

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by lucb1e »

cdot2 wrote: post #155
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Or they could just not track readers with cookies and not collect their private data.

It looks like they use cookies for saving login information.

Like a sibling said, you misunderstand these laws (there have been more than one, but the main one now is GDPR). I never heard of a law where you needed a privacy wall to inform people about some technical features of how the website works. It's only when you store tracking tokens in the cookie jar, localStorage, etags, etc., that you need to tell them what data you are collecting.

If you do not need opt-in consent just to view the page, then no coercive wall is ever required.

Literally every single one of the sites with so-called cookie walls can be divided into two categories: site owners that have no idea what the law actually says but they think it's trendy or something, and sites that have no legitimate interest or other legal reason for processing some data and therefore need to seek your "freely given" opt-in consent. If they already had a legal grounds, they wouldn't need to ask for it.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by kmonsen »

nneonneo wrote: post #824
fartcannon wrote: post #788

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On an individual level, it would appear that just being from Hong Kong and not China will get you death threats.

I feel compelled to clarify this: Hong Kong is part of China, and has been since 1997. Saying that Hong Kong is not part of China is like saying that Texas is not part of the United States because at one point they seceded. These days, Texas has no more right to secede from the US than Hong Kong from China, even if there are people in both territories who would prefer full independence. Consequently, to a Chinese per…

Texas does not have a special one country, two systems status and Hong Kong does until 2047. The fact that the communist party completely ignores this fact does not make it go away. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_country,_two_systems

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Post by lucb1e »

minkzilla wrote: post #339
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Of course, lawyers exist to make themselves money. Doesn't change that if you don't violate GDPR you won't be fined. A simple blog does not violate it, so they must be doing something creepy.

Very simple sites can violate it. For one example: if you, or anything in your stack, logs IP addresses you need a legitimate business interest to do so. It is needed for security and usage statistics and stuff but you will need a lawyer to explain that when you get hit with some fines.

> but you will need a lawyer to explain that when you get hit with some fines.

This is really just scaremongering. Usually there are exceptions to a rule but here I feel fairly comfortable saying: show me a single case where someone got "hit with some fines" and then they needed a lawyer to "explain" things in a lawyery manner and then suddenly everything was fine whereas it wasn't when the site owners responded to an inquiry in normal human language.

If you don't do tracking for no reason and aren't blatantly invading privacy, you'll get a warning if anything -- and for a USA-only site, no country's DPA feels responsible anyway so I'd be highly surprised if they even got to the warning phase even if you were doing something wrong.

I know there are technically some requirements in every privacy policy, e.g. mentioning which rights the user has (I'm not in favor of having those, citing the law in every policy makes them much longer than necessary to read and dilutes the real content, and also it makes it so that you can't have a legal website without complying with the EU's specific laws -- that won't scale if all ~190 countries in the world try to pull that crap), but that's not the same as needing to lawyer up to wave away fines that you got hit with out of the blue as a website that had nothing to do with the EU in the first place.

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Post by mcv »

rufus_foreman wrote: post #577
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It's clear that some Americans would prefer to hide and forget inconvenient parts of US history in the same way China would prefer to forget Tiananmen Square. Personally I'm strongly on the side of remembering history so we can learn from it and not be doomed to repeat it.

In the same way China would prefer to forget Tiananmen Square? You are free in America to talk about the Tulsa race massacre as much as you like. You can look it up on the web, you can buy books about it. The government won't threaten you for doing so. It is taught in some schools and universities. In Oklahoma, it is required by law to be taught in schools. Every year at the end of May there are articles published ab…

That is all true. That doesn't change the fact that there are people in the US who would prefer that these events are not taught in school. It's good and important that they are, but there are people who would prefer to see only nationalistic feel-good history be taught. There are also schools that ban certain books, important, literary books.

These are things to be wary of, and not be complacent about.

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Post by mcguire »

killjoywashere wrote: post #670
vaxman wrote: post #637

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I participated in planning of potential evacuations of US citizens from Japan after Fukushima, 10x smaller problem than Taiwan. Air evacuation is infinitely better. The per capita economics in time and money are 1000x better by plane. Also, evacuation by boat to where? Having been part of the New Orleans Katrina diaspora, the problems of diaspora still reel my mind.

How much property do they get to bring with them?

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Post by mcguire »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #832
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your appeal to emotion rings hollow. Did I deny that? My family viewed the US as such in the past. No longer, I can assure you. It is precisely because we have experienced life in the US and Asia that I feel that I can actually comment on this topic. If you seriously think millions of Taiwanese think this of America I would love to see your reaction when you travel there. Ohio, the Mojave, Alaska. Insulting on a whol…

Okay, I'll bite. Why is Alaska "insulting"? Note: I live there, and it's awesome. Ohio is also a perfectly fine place to live.

How would you respond to being asked (forced?) to move to Ohio? Or perhaps Germany?

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Post by everybodyknows »

Jensson wrote: post #13

This is great, but I wonder how long these things will last? Big companies with a strong dependency on China tend take China's side, and since big companies controls the narrative I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a social faux pas to criticize CCP in the future. China doesn't have enough power and influence for that to happen today, but what if/when their GDP per capita reaches the same level as US? At that poin…

I'm having trouble reading Daniel's statement as anything more than amoral damage control.

Pose of indignation struck; commitment to follow-through with actual investigation, nonexistent.

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