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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by nicbou »

jmarcher wrote: post #541
davrosthedalek wrote: post #516

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Be careful. My Macbook Pro cooked it's display twice. Some program made it not go to sleep when I closed the lid, I put it in my backpack, and it overheated the display so much that I had yellow-brownish spots (which followed gravity over time). No way to check if it's sleeping when the lid is closed, because reasons...

I always assumed those were the result of my cycling backpack putting too much pressure on the screen. It's basically bow-like structure to keep the bag off my back. I do have my MacBooks cooking themselves in my backpack every so often too. Basically, every MacBook's I had in the past > 10 years ended with that issue. Mystery solved!

I can confirm that this is the issue. I have little white spots on the display, and they appear during my motorcycle trips, when my luggage is pushing against the display. I got a fresh one from the latest trip. Armoured cases are not nearly as armoured as they should be.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by test001only »

radicalbyte wrote: post #485
fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

MacOS continues to connect with Wifi even when the lid is closed and it is suppose to be sleeping. Both Windows and MacOS does not honour the contract with the users.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by test001only »

bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #648
radicalbyte wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

Forget the overheating — the fact that Macs will save all your work when shutting down, and will refuse to shut down if this is not possible (for instance if some app that doesn’t support autosave (MS office) has unsaved work, or if there are terminal jobs running). Can’t imagine how anyone tolerates their computer just obliterating their work.

MS Windows does the same thing with Hibernate.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by test001only »

nikau wrote: post #731
oauea wrote: post #724

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Right, so the same as Windows.

A common theme I've noticed with the most ardent mac fans is they haven't used a windows machine since windows 95 and seem to think osx has all these magic features windows users are missing out on. I use mac and windows daily, and they both have similar amounts of annoying niggling features.

I have noticed the same thing with Mac fans. Another meme from the past which needs to die is that Mac has better user interface. There are so many annoying and missing UI issues in Mac and dare I say Windows has better UI for some aspects of the OS than Mac.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by AngryData »

jrwr wrote: post #807
naikrovek wrote: post #726

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I have a $300 Ubiquiti Dream Machine and that thing CANT be scheduled to reboot. doesn't matter because Ethernet dies twice a day, and I need to use my phone to get to the admin page to restart the thing. most annoying and expensive router I've ever owned. I DO NOT understand how all routers I have ever owned are total garbage, but they all have been.

The only router I've had not give me any gruff is the Mikrotik stuff, hot damn is it hard to configure as its very advanced at times, but once its configured. it /never/ goes down

I got a MikroTik router just a few months ago and it does run great, has anything you could want under the sun, and it was even cheap! But like you said, it is very advanced, and as a network noob I probably spent 12 hours configuring it to do everything I wanted despite considering myself pretty tech savy, and don't even know exactly what I did to make it work as I wanted. Although if it is just a single router typical home setup most people could just use a default setup and make it work.

The community also seemed pretty elitist, I went through many forum posts about people with similar setup questions and/or problems as myself and fairly often they got simply berated when they didn't understand what a certain setting actually did or didn't understand exactly what people were having them input through a 30 item terminal command. The wiki has an example of just about everything once but even that was far from comprehensive when there are 20+ different options and you don't know what they mean and the example on the wiki picks just one of them and doesn't explain why they chose that one.

I don't regret the purchase at all, however I don't think I could feel safe in randomly recommending it to anybody except the most tech savy of my tech savy friends.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by nikau »

test001only wrote: post #864
nikau wrote: post #731

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A common theme I've noticed with the most ardent mac fans is they haven't used a windows machine since windows 95 and seem to think osx has all these magic features windows users are missing out on. I use mac and windows daily, and they both have similar amounts of annoying niggling features.

I have noticed the same thing with Mac fans. Another meme from the past which needs to die is that Mac has better user interface. There are so many annoying and missing UI issues in Mac and dare I say Windows has better UI for some aspects of the OS than Mac.

Yeah mac is a mixed bag, eg. preview is awesome, finder absolutely sucks.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by regularfry »

sandGorgon wrote: post #271
regularfry wrote: post #243

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I've got a Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 which doesn't advertise S3. It's a really nice machine, but having to wait several months after getting it for someone out there who understands these things to come up with the right combination of kernel code and ACPI patches so I could shut the lid and not have it just reset when I opened it back up again was something I could have done without. Fortunately it's got the capability, it…

hi i have the Yoga Slim 7 too (the white carbon fiber one). How do you enable this ?

The DSDT mod at https://github.com/jrandiny/yoga-slim7-ubuntu worked for me to stop it resetting, but only on the 5.14 kernel. YMMV.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by tomjen3 »

muttled wrote: post #674
bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #648

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Forget the overheating — the fact that Macs will save all your work when shutting down, and will refuse to shut down if this is not possible (for instance if some app that doesn’t support autosave (MS office) has unsaved work, or if there are terminal jobs running). Can’t imagine how anyone tolerates their computer just obliterating their work.

Made me think about a system we have to enter notes in at work. It'll kick you out with 10 minutes of inactivity. But it won't tell you it's kicked you out. You just go to save your notes and it puts you to a login screen, discarding everything you've typed.

That would cause me to edit my notes in notepad and then copy past them when done.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by FredPret »

muststopmyths wrote: post #804
naikrovek wrote: post #537

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I mean, I know it's too late to help you, but running "powercfg.exe /lastwake" after a windows computer wakes from standby will tell you exactly what woke it up, if it knows. I've never had it return with "unknown" once in over a decade, but some people I know have. if you can find all the things waking the computer, and fix those things, it will never wake without user intervention. usually, for me, it's been device…

Windows update is one of the things that don't show up with powercfg, as far as I can recall. My desktop used to wake itself up all the time to update and in addition to hunting down all the devices, there was a scheduled task for Office updates that I had to disable. It would wake the computer up and then Windows updates would install because the computer was awake at the scheduled time, giving me the false impressi…

> Really need to look into a BSD with Windows VM for my next desktop though.

You can get all the BSD’s you want on Windows!

:D

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by FredPret »

test001only wrote: post #863
bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #648

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forget the overheating — the fact that Macs will save all your work when shutting down, and will refuse to shut down if this is not possible (for instance if some app that doesn’t support autosave (MS office) has unsaved work, or if there are terminal jobs running). Can’t imagine how anyone tolerates their computer just obliterating their work.

MS Windows does the same thing with Hibernate.

Until it decides you must have this new update and reboots your machine at 2am for you
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