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If there is solid evidence that a vaccine will kill people, it should not be used. It's intolerable that people die taking a prophylactic. It's much, much worse to kill someone with a vaccine than to allow that person to perhaps die of a virus. Thankfully, in this case, sanity prevailed.
There's solid evidence that foods kill people.
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So I created a new account for this to avoid linking personal information... I had blood clots in my lungs last week a few days after getting the J&J vaccine. I'm an otherwise totally healthy man in my 30s, no preconditions. The hospital reported it to the vaccine reporting agency, which I assume is reviewing all this information. I'm not sure if they considered my case when making this decision. My clots were differ…
These are not vaccines. They are gene therapy marketed as vaccines. No one has any clue as to their long term side effects. The under 30 odds of death for Covid-19 are statistically zero percent. The rush to inject a brand new medication into the entire world pop without regards for individual risk profile is ridiculous, reckless, madness.
The risk of dying from a blood clot after receiving the J&J vaccine is six in 6,800,000 (6.8M). The world population is 7,900,000,000 (7.9B). If everyone on the planet got the J&J vaccine tomorrow, and if it is the cause of the clots, then 6,971 people would die from the vaccine. Yesterday, Covid19 killed 8,803 people (according to worldometers). We don't want anyone to die from vaccination, and we don't fully unders…
6 obvious deaths that we're aware of. The risk of the vaccines is in their novelty and morbidity. An abundance of caution is required in this instance. It would be very bad to discover that there's a vanishingly small chance of blood clots within the first 3 months but a significant chance when paired with other events over the following decade.
1 death. The other cases are severe blood clotting but still alive by my understanding.
That's literally one-in-6-million chance of death with regards to this blood-clotting issue. A vanishingly smaller chance than the 1-in-40,000 (or 150-in-6-million) a healthy young person has of dying of COVID19.
So 1 death, 5 severe reactions related to blood clotting. Definitely a cause of concern, but lets not overplay the stats here.
This just another "Trolley problem": 150-people (even youngsters) would die from COVID19 vs the 1-person who died from the J&J vaccine.
If we include the general population (instead of focusing on the youngest and healthiest of us): COVID19 mortality rate is 1%ish, or 60,000-people-per-6-million.
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There's already been large scale phase 3 trials, and we've deal with vaccines for decades, they're not entirely novel and unknown each time.
> we've deal with vaccines for decades I don’t think that’s accurate in this case. The type of vaccine that J&J released had up until months ago only ever been deployed in animals. IIRC pigs had a problem with corona viruses that we solved” The J&J is not a heap of dead virus like the common ones we have had forever. But a live harmless (we think) virus dolled up to look like Rona Corona.
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This is a leaky vaccine, which is actually a big health risk. You remove selection pressure for lack of virulence, so more fatal strains can spread more easily. Definitely not a good thing.
I know about Marek's disease in chickens, but has a leaky vaccine ever caused a virus to evolve like that in humans?
The risk of dying from a blood clot after receiving the J&J vaccine is six in 6,800,000 (6.8M). The world population is 7,900,000,000 (7.9B). If everyone on the planet got the J&J vaccine tomorrow, and if it is the cause of the clots, then 6,971 people would die from the vaccine. Yesterday, Covid19 killed 8,803 people (according to worldometers). We don't want anyone to die from vaccination, and we don't fully unders…
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what were your symptoms that led you to go to the hospital to get checked for clots? What is someone getting a vaccine as such is supposed to look for?
I got a little out of breath doing simple tasks like walking briskly or picking up my kids, and I had a pain in my back (actually lung) that gradually got worse over a few days. Eventually the pain was severe enough that I went to the ER. Looking back, the shortness of breath was a key indicator. It wasn't that I was struggling to breathe or anything, but I felt like I couldn't take a big deep breath easily and that'…
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6 obvious deaths that we're aware of. The risk of the vaccines is in their novelty and morbidity. An abundance of caution is required in this instance. It would be very bad to discover that there's a vanishingly small chance of blood clots within the first 3 months but a significant chance when paired with other events over the following decade.
So I created a new account for this to avoid linking personal information... I had blood clots in my lungs last week a few days after getting the J&J vaccine. I'm an otherwise totally healthy man in my 30s, no preconditions. The hospital reported it to the vaccine reporting agency, which I assume is reviewing all this information. I'm not sure if they considered my case when making this decision. My clots were differ…
In comparison there have been over 2000 deaths reported (US, all vaccines). But death is not unusual and unless one can find a specific link to vaccination that number alone is not alarming. Sometimes we live with known risk, anaphylactic shocks e.g., because they are unavoidable and benefits outweigh risk. But we do what we can to mitigate such risk.
In summary the current pause is triggered by the particular type of clotting, not just any clotting. But your case should contribute to the overall evaluation of the likely cause and risk.
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There's solid evidence that foods kill people.
100% of people who eat food eventually die.
My comment is more or less ridiculous, but I'd like to understand why an effective vaccine that is dangerous to a few people is different than peanuts, which are dangerous to a few people (many of whom discover this by consuming peanuts).
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Do any corona-family viruses cause cancers that we know of?
I don't know. But HPV and Herpes definitely can. Here's some more: https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/infectious-agent... It takes quite a long time to prove the link between a viral infection and a cancer that develops decades later, so it'll be a while before we know for sure.
There are other potential longer term side effects that at least seem to have some emerging data to back them up, which seem more concerning to me.