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Post by millbraebart »

pqhwan wrote: post #844
dorkwood wrote: post #819

There's a famous optical illusion with a spinning silhouette of a dancer. When you look at it, you'll swear it's spinning in one direction -- say, counter-clockwise. In fact, you'll be so sure it's spinning counter-clockwise, that the idea it could be spinning in the opposite direction will seem impossible to you. But if you stare at it long enough, and intently enough, you can make it spin the other way. I've notice…

Growing up in a country where I was in the ethnic majority, I went through a period of right-wing political bent as a teenager. Then I came to the US, where I found myself in the minority and leaning left. So I feel that I have some personal insight into the mindset that pushes people right. But... maybe it’s that my past right-leaning self was a teenager with half-baked ideas about the world, when I reflect on what…

I was a lefty my whole life, but this BLM/covid lockdown crap was the end for me. I hardly see how 14 unarmed black men (most of not all instigating/resisting) killed by police in the entire US in 2019 represents the biggest problem for black people. My mom works in the public school system and wholly agrees. The last thing black families need is "defunding" the police. And all these lockdowns over a virus with a 99%+ survival rate? It's not just "fear and anger" for us, in the word's of the left... facts matter.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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Post by logicchains »

0xB31B1B wrote: post #854

There are facts here. Things like Covid 19 and climate change are both real and current or impending disasters. The "left" has solutions and the "right" pretends they don't exist. The US right has slipped further and further from understanding of what is actually happening around them and under trump specifically fell into a disinformation black hole. I hope that future repoublican leaders are more based in reality.

>the "right" pretends they don't exist.

Most people in the right don't disbelieve the coronavirus exists, they just think it's not dangerous enough to warrant massive government impingement on people's rights to free movement, association and commerce.

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Post by 0xB31B1B »

SCAQTony wrote: post #845

When you look at countries that are unified and act as a cohesive state such as Switzerland, Korea, Norway, or Singapore, what they have in common is culture. Los Angeles is nothing like Wichita. Beverly Hills is nothing like Miami. Multiculturalism produces many great subjects such as art, food, music, dance, poetry and great looking kids. But with amazing advantages comes equal disadvantages. These include racial t…

I kind of entirely disagree with the your read on the situation. The struggles that America has aren't that it doesn't have a common culture, the struggles are that it has too many veto points in its political process so it is extremely difficult for popular majorities to execute on a political vision, and it is extremely difficult for the population of the country to hold their leaders accountable when the multiple veto points lead to a diffusion of responsibility. The struggle we have is that popular majorities cannot enact their policy preferences, and then do not receive electoral feedback based on the policies they enact. America doesn't need a common culture, it needs a better feedback loop for things to go from idea -> popular will -> political power -> policy change -> impact on the people.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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Post by Fordec »

nso95 wrote: post #850

I don't care if you're liberal or conservative. The problem with Trump is that all of his success has come from lying, cheating, and manipulation. That's all he knows. This was never a simple matter of political differences. This was not normal.

And Trump is the first politician that has lied cheated or manipulated situations to their advantage?

The only thing this time was the politician was incompetently bad at hiding it. And I say that as someone who would have been delighted with Sanders.

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Post by neither_color »

pqhwan wrote: post #844
dorkwood wrote: post #819

There's a famous optical illusion with a spinning silhouette of a dancer. When you look at it, you'll swear it's spinning in one direction -- say, counter-clockwise. In fact, you'll be so sure it's spinning counter-clockwise, that the idea it could be spinning in the opposite direction will seem impossible to you. But if you stare at it long enough, and intently enough, you can make it spin the other way. I've notice…

Growing up in a country where I was in the ethnic majority, I went through a period of right-wing political bent as a teenager. Then I came to the US, where I found myself in the minority and leaning left. So I feel that I have some personal insight into the mindset that pushes people right. But... maybe it’s that my past right-leaning self was a teenager with half-baked ideas about the world, when I reflect on what…

As a minority considered “disadvantaged” in the US I’d like to counter that there’s a lot more to the right than lack of empathy for minorities or fear. I’m very appreciative of the opportunities provided to me here and don’t appreciate the recent cultural tendency to privilege shame people or to look back on the history here as only cruel or exploitative.

Trump saw the highest turnout among minorities for republicans in 60 years and it’s for a reason. I look back at Ben Franklin or Jefferson or Washington and feel inspired, I don’t think “oh, I’m not privileged I could never do what he did.” I can see people as products of their time and separate the good from the bad. As someone who grew up in an apartment shared between 2 families and worked my way up into college and the tech field I’m just shocked at how many people today have grown into learned helplessness and think that the system is so bad and irreparable that they need to vandalize and protest in cities for months.

The left has done so much more to insult me and my appreciation for this country than the right, and it’s just tragic that they think they’re the only good guys. I really do believe that foreign interference to agitate our society is real, as discussed by Tristan Harris in his interview by Joe Rogan, and it’s convinced millions of young Americans that they’re somehow resisting literal Nazis.

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Post by dragonwriter »

betwixthewires wrote: post #832

For a site full of engineers I'm surprised to see the discussion center on partisan politics, talking points, unsourced claims and demands for sources, bickering over every detail, when what I'd want to talk about among technical people is the fact that Biden hasn't actually won, based on the rules of the system. He claimed he won. So did Trump. Neither are backed by anything tangible, yet. It looks like the PA AG ha…

> This is only over when the electors travel to DC

The electors do not, in fact, travel to DC, at all. [0]

> and 270+ vote for one person.

If you are going to be excessively legalistic, it's not over until the electoral votes are reviewed, judged, tallied, and reported by Congress. On the other hand, by design, by law, and by established practice, in various combinations for the various components, pretty much all of that process after the public vote and tallying is ministerial rather than discretionary; and the established practices for transition of power in an open seat or incumbent defeat situation very much rely on proceeding based on the known outcome before all the various ministerial acts are completed.

[0] https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/roles#meeting “On the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December, the electors meet in their respective States to cast their votes for President and Vice President of the United States.” [emphasis added]

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Post by djsumdog »

I feel we should be mourning. Even if you wanted Biden to win, the election irregularities .. my god, they were so blatant. I stayed up until 2am Friday writing this:

https://battlepenguin.com/politics/the-return-of-american-co...

I have no problem returning to the status quo, but we need to acknowledge what happened. It's happened before in 2000 and with JFK, but never to this scale. The media manipulated the people into a 24/7 hate machine and have caused major psychological damage to the entire American population.

We are literally seeing the world through two different screens. We are being told what to think and what is true. This should terrify all of us.

This is not a time of honor.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

Justsignedup wrote: post #848
dorkwood wrote: post #819

There's a famous optical illusion with a spinning silhouette of a dancer. When you look at it, you'll swear it's spinning in one direction -- say, counter-clockwise. In fact, you'll be so sure it's spinning counter-clockwise, that the idea it could be spinning in the opposite direction will seem impossible to you. But if you stare at it long enough, and intently enough, you can make it spin the other way. I've notice…

I personally find it hard to look at the right as anything but poison. I can disagree with you on economic ideologies, I can disagree with you on military spending, how to treat the drug epidemic, how to solve the incarceration problem, etc. However when one side literally empowers those that executed my family in WW2, it is no longer a disagreement, but a fight for my life.

Though the obvious answer is your family is Jewish and the right empowered Nazis, the ambiguity of your statement means your family could have been Nazis and the right empowered Americans. There are like thirty correct choices in this macabre madlib.

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Post by Gibbon1 »

nso95 wrote: post #850

I don't care if you're liberal or conservative. The problem with Trump is that all of his success has come from lying, cheating, and manipulation. That's all he knows. This was never a simple matter of political differences. This was not normal.

If Trump had governed like say Gov Chris Christie he'd likely have won this election.

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Post by kortilla »

mewse wrote: post #726

One candidate supports separating children from their families for certain groups of illegal immigrants, kept those children in cages for some time, and has since lost track of around 500 of them; not reuiniting them with their families. This has all been extensively documented. And approximately seventy million people have voted for that candidate. Okay, so with all of that in mind, please provide the nuance you wan…

If you truly want learn something, first try learning why something that looks so obviously bad might be nuanced. Search for yourself to find out why the Obama-era policy of separating the children was put into place.
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