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Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by artk42 »

manofmanysmiles wrote: post #114

I love the following section of their copy: > Even More Value for Upgraders > The new 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max mark a major leap for pro users. There’s never been a better time for customers to upgrade from a previous generation of MacBook Pro with Apple silicon or an Intel-based Mac. I read as "Whoops we made the M1 Macbook Pro too good, please upgrade!" I think I will get another 2-5 years…

Haha, can't be said better. M1pro is so good. Literally the only Jobs legacy, every other thing except silicon and laptop engineering is mediocre to dead now.

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Post by prmoustache »

blackqueeriroh wrote: post #692
Greed wrote: post #259

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If 40k is the barrier to entry for impressive, that doesn't really sell the usecase of local LLMs very well. For the same price in API calls, you could fund AI driven development across a small team for quite a long while. Whether that remains the case once those models are no longer subsidized, TBD. But as of today the comparison isn't even close.

Sure, but now double the team size. Double it again. Suddenly that $40k is quite reasonable because you’ll never pay another dollar for st least 2-3 years.

Would you?

2-3 years ago people were fantasizing on running local models on a consumer nvidia RTX GPU.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by NiteOwl066 »

Traster wrote: post #852

Seems strange that they're releasing new Macbook pros now we now that they'll be legacy products with the Macbook neos.

Macbook neo is most probably a cheap low end laptop, or a very small laptop. (with rumors that it uses A-series processors)

It's not competing with Macbook pros which are the top line for laptop power users.

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Post by bzzzt »

stared wrote: post #848
manofmanysmiles wrote: post #114

I love the following section of their copy: > Even More Value for Upgraders > The new 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max mark a major leap for pro users. There’s never been a better time for customers to upgrade from a previous generation of MacBook Pro with Apple silicon or an Intel-based Mac. I read as "Whoops we made the M1 Macbook Pro too good, please upgrade!" I think I will get another 2-5 years…

Also M1 Pro owner, and it was the biggest leap ever. 2.5x speedup for build times over the last Intel Silicon, paired with 2x or so longer battery life, and better design in general (keyboard, ports). What is tricky is not even CPU/GPU, but that in a Macbook it is impossible to upgrade RAM (easier to understand, as it is tied to the processor), but also the hard drive. Correct me if I am wrong, but I bet it is a deci…

Of course it was a decision by Apple, but I'm not really sure it's that 'tricky'.

There are multiple ways to upgrade storage: since Macs retain the value quite a long time compared to PCs, if you really want everything integrated and need you can sell your Mac and just buy a bigger one. Then there are several options for external storage (from USB stick or SSD to NAS to Thunderbolt disk arrays).

The integrated 'root disk' also has advantages: Apple controls the entire stack including drive firmware so it's guaranteed not to have nasty surprises on Mac like some PC SSDs I've been bitten by in the past. Also, performance is uniform and it's impossible for a drive to fail or shake loose due to a bad connector because there isn't one.

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Post by butILoveLife »

VladVladikoff wrote: post #729
butILoveLife wrote: post #447

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>Time to first token measured with an 8K-token prompt using a 14-billion parameter model with 4-bit quantization Oh dear 14B and 4-bit quant? There are going to be a lot of embarrassed programmers who need to explain to their engineering managers why their Macbook can't reasonably run LLMs like they said it could. (This already happened at my fortune 20 company lol)

I don’t really get why people are smack talking this, are there other laptops available that can do better?

My 2023 Nvidia 3060 laptop I spent $700 on?

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Post by neya »

retired wrote: post #842
neya wrote: post #767

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I upgraded to an M3 Pro from an M1 Pro. I sold my M1 Pro at 90% of the original cost (not even exaggerating) on Facebook marketplace AFTER 2 YEARS. I thought the buyer was insane to buy it at that price. But, of course mine had a decent spec and still had the Apple care warranty with very low battery cycle count. After the sale, the buyer told me the truth: The M1 is the best chip Apple ever made and I wouldn't see m…

Impressive. Four years in and my once €2100 M1 Pro is worth maybe €600.

You can try selling it in Asia (Singapore / Malaysia). You can get a good deal for it there usually if your battery cycle count is low. One thing I really learned is - it's super important to keep the battery cycle count low if you want a good resale value on your machine. I was extremely fortunate enough with the M1 Pro to always use it plugged in because I was constantly worried about not having enough battery when I actually needed it.

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Post by darkwater »

bsimpson wrote: post #776
spopejoy wrote: post #668

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Throw asahi on it? I have access to one of those beasts and am considering it ...

It's Intel - you could run any Linux. Unfortunately, I don't know that Linux handles the bespoke 5k graphics. Moreover, our corp Linux distribution is only certified for particular devices. Even if the screen worked, you wouldn't be allowed on the network, which is the whole problem with Intel support being dropped in the first place.

Serious question: why are they doing this if they've been marketing BeyondCorp for years now? Why is corporate network special then?

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Post by darkstar_16 »

coldtea wrote: post #822
kobalsky wrote: post #289

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my tinfoil hat theory is that they make small features depend on new hardware. for example, let's say the new os depends on m5's exclusive thumbnail generator accelerator, and let's say it improves speed by a 20%. now, your M1 notebook than on previous OSes uses standard gpu acceleration for thumbnails will not have this specialized hardware acceleration, it will have software fallback that will be 90% slower. you wo…

> my tinfoil hat theory is that they make small features depend on new hardware. The general case is hardly a "tinfoil hat theory". They openly do that, and the major reason is to tie to new hardware adoption. That said, it doesn't usually work like you call it. It's not adding new features depending on HW optimization to slow older machines down (after all one could just not use those features in an older machine, o…

I don't think it's even a broad strategy from PM or higher ups. I actually think it's engineers inside the company who want to play with the coolest hardware and the build features for the newest stuff. Features can be made to work with older hardware but that requires more time and optimization which they never get, so someone takes a call that x and y features only work on newer gen hardware.

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Post by saagarjha »

spockz wrote: post #788
hx8 wrote: post #717

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You're too far down the rabbit hole. Anytime they can make M1 incompatible with the latest version of macOS which would most people to upgrade.

Well then you can use CoreBoot (or OpenCore always forget which is which) to run newer versions on older hardware.

I don’t think that it supports Apple silicon at all.
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