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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by fullstop »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #819
cauch wrote: post #407

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A lot of people who support the current US government do not want the laws to be enforced, they just want to see people who look brown or foreigners to be deported, regardless of if they are in the US legally or illegally. The immigration laws are saying that we should stop illegal immigration, but respect the legal immigration. And because of that, it means that each case should be carefully treated to discover if t…

@cauch: let me ask you this: how do you weed out the illegals besides asking for proof or citizenship or proof of a passport visa that you are in the US legally?

Really, you're going to go with "papers, please" ?

ICE is on record of requesting ID from _children_. I don't know if you're a parent, but my kids didn't carry ID until they were nearly adults. That's okay, though, because they're white. I don't like bringing race into this, but we're not seeing ICE ask white people for their passports.

I don't have a problem weeding out dangerous criminals, but flagging someone who had a parking ticket a decade ago is wrong. Additionally, removing TPS from groups and then subsequently deporting them up is wrong. Arresting individuals and deporting them when they are going through the proper legal avenues to become citizens is wrong.

How soon until other "undesirables" are targeted?

Did you carry proof of citizenship as a child? Do you carry it today? I don't, as my license is not a "real id" yet. They could scoop me up as I walk into Home Depot and send me off to god knows where tomorrow.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by brettermeier »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #822
brettermeier wrote: post #778

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Why do you have voter databases? I always thought it's a bad idea, who doesn't?

That has an easy and uncomfortable answer: to check that all registered voters are actually citizens. And this is why Democrat run states refuse to share that database, because it might show they have non-citizens voting. I guess the same could be said about Republican run states, but those seem like they have a lower rate of illegal immigrants.

You could people just show their ID right before voting and you would not need such lists? So no illegal person could vote, right. I don't get it.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by saubeidl »

nailer wrote: post #631
maest wrote: post #580

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"Come right in, the water is fine" said the frog in the pot.

As a legal immigrant, I’m not in the pot because I didn’t enter the country by breaking the law.

"I'm not in the pot - I'm a good German, not a Jew!"

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by bjoli »

pyrophane wrote: post #386
cma256 wrote: post #337

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If citizenship is required to vote then how would accessing voter rolls suppress liberal voters? Honest question; I'm not concern trolling. I had to Google who's allowed to vote. I found this article[1] by the Brennan Center. It alleges this is an attempted federal takeover of elections but it doesn't suggest or allude to voter suppression. I'm not convinced by the article that having access to voter rolls can be con…

Honestly my real fear is ICE agents at polling places on Election Day harassing would-be voters with citizenship checks and aggressive behavior, slowing things down and maybe causing some people to leave. Regarding voter data though, if it becomes known that registering to vote as a minority will get you extra scrutiny from ICE, and perhaps a visit to your home, that would probably cause some citizens avoid voting al…

When that happen I will to seriously start considering the US a third world country. A Banana Republic.

I am just an outside onlooker, and things seem pretty bleak.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by ngcazz »

midlander wrote: post #797
EngineerUSA wrote: post #186

Palantir is interesting. Founded by a closeted German, run by an Israeli operative, and a 3rd arm of the federal gov. I wish we could prosecute it in my lifetime for the numerous violations of privacy it undertakes, but the world does not work that way. The rich enjoy private jets subsidized by our hard-earned taxes, while violating ideals held by our Founding fathers (for what would Thiel or the current CEO know abo…

The irony of a post about Palantir working with ICE devolving into xenophobia about the founders of Palantir.

They will never experience xenophobia in any meaningful way, unlike the millions surveilled by the technology they're developing.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by smitty1e »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #253
smitty1e wrote: post #164

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So we mug other States rather than address the problem?

These states may be fundamentally too resource poor to effectively maintain their populations. So collectively we agreed that richer states should subsidize them, because no one wants to see their neighbors suffer unnecessarily. And in the hope that newer generations may invent or unlock other resources to break the cycles of poverty. My fear is that many of these states are locked in a bubble of lies, a culture that…

> My fear is that many of these states are locked in a bubble of lies, a culture that longs for an imaginary and idealized past that never existed.

Speaking of "bubble of lies..."

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by smitty1e »

FireBeyond wrote: post #293
paulryanrogers wrote: post #89

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Some states are too poor to effectively fund and maintain their own safety nets. It's common for folks laid off in these states to get a dubious mental health diagnosis to justify SSDI, because doctors know they have no prospects and could well become homeless without it.

Funny how often those are red states...

Well, so: let the red states eat their own rhetoric.

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

brettermeier wrote: post #852
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #822

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That has an easy and uncomfortable answer: to check that all registered voters are actually citizens. And this is why Democrat run states refuse to share that database, because it might show they have non-citizens voting. I guess the same could be said about Republican run states, but those seem like they have a lower rate of illegal immigrants.

You could people just show their ID right before voting and you would not need such lists? So no illegal person could vote, right. I don't get it.

In the US you can get a driving license without being a citizen. And that is accepted as proof of ID pretty much anywhere. That's the rub.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by donkeybeer »

aa-jv wrote: post #745
jacquesm wrote: post #668

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I think in part this is because it would require them to admit that they've been had, which is even worse than to have to admit you're a terrible person. Being terrible is one thing, most people can handle that. Being so utterly dumb that you've been carrying water against your own country and effectively are in every sense of the word a useful idiot is a thing most people would shy away from. Psychology is weird. As…

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Russia may be a factor, but I have always maintained the american right wing has enough natural and innate stupidity it could have anyways self created maga.
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