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Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by oblio »

poisonarena wrote: post #699
janalsncm wrote: post #371

Had a recruiter call with Twitter a few months ago. Mandatory in office 5 days per week. Among other things, an hour commute both ways to work was not acceptable. Maybe they will have better luck in Santa Clara. I don’t buy any of the flamebait reasons for leaving SF. Reason 1 is money and reason 2 is talent pool.

reading this as a mariner who works 2-4 months straight, on a ship, in deep sea, 12 hour work day, and no days off (working saturday and sunday).. lol you dont know how bad it really is..

Let's not crab bucket each other. You deserve good working conditions and making life suck for everyone else, too, won't make your life truly better.

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Post by lupusreal »

bluGill wrote: post #534
curiousllama wrote: post #481

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Cities' attractiveness feels u-shaped Young adults love it bc they have the time to go to bars/restaurants/clubs Middle aged folks hate it because they're so busy - they can't take advantage, and other people get in their way (some) Older folks like it again bc they have the time to go to restaurants/theater

Middle ages folks hate it because they are most likely to have kids and cities (in the US) tend to be kid hostile. What I'm calling city below is probably better described as downtown - most cities extend out farther and have areas that are nothing like what follows - but are also nothing like what you described as what people move to the city for. Parks in the city tend to be focused on art. They often lack kid basi…

> "Restaurants will allow kids, but often you get dirty looks for bring kids. Many of the others do not like kids and will let you know if your kids are misbehaving - what they define as misbehaving is normal for kids."

Any child older than a toddler should be able to sit quietly and respectfully eat a meal. If they can't, that's bad parenting.

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Post by SllX »

hamandcheese wrote: post #819
tayo42 wrote: post #558

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I interviewed there around then, I remeber getting off at civic center bart station on my way in wondering to my self if I really want to do this commute everyday and what kind if effect it would have on me. Then I got the offer and was like, I'll figure it out hah. Sketchy mornings watching all the drug dealing happening hoping I wouldn't accidently look at the wrong person the wrong way or something.

Isn't van ness station closer to Twitter?

If he was going via BART, Van Ness doesn’t have a BART station. If he was going via MUNI, technically yes but not by a lot.

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Post by lupusreal »

darby_nine wrote: post #780
drawnwren wrote: post #778

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I’d be willing to be good money you couldn’t take the bus out of the old X headquarters at 11pm for a month straight and not get robbed at least once. I got robbed twice in the 3 months I worked in the TL.

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"Survival skill" is a matter of looking like a scary scumbag who's more trouble than he's worth to fuck with. I'm good at it, I size up the real scumbags like they're meat I'm going to chew up and spit out and I have the physical build to back it up. They cross the street to avoid me. But many people will just never have this "skill".

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Post by eric-hu »

dehrmann wrote: post #712
drewda wrote: post #149

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That SF's payroll tax exemption was specifically created for Twitter: https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/twitter-will-get-pa... Here's one summary of it as of last year: > The infamous "Twitter tax break" provided by former Mayor Ed Lee to lure companies, including Twitter, to mid-Market by exempting them from a portion of their payroll taxes, had its sunset in 2019. Many argued that it did little to revitalize…

I worked in mid-market/the TL from 2014 until 2017. The tech companies sort of helped. A handful of hip restaurants and bars sprung up, but the city never really dealt with the homeless. There are a lot of non-profits serving the homeless in the TL, and there wasn't really anywhere for them to go as an alternative. >> $10 million a year in lost revenue That's 1.5% of the homeless budget.

Wow. I had to fact-check this. Wow.

https://www.hoover.org/research/despite-spending-11-billion-...

> San Francisco is slightly smaller than Jacksonville, Florida. Yet San Francisco’s homelessness budget—$1.1 billion in fiscal year 2021–22—is nearly 80 percent of Jacksonville’s entire city budget.

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Post by jacooper »

anotherhue wrote: post #143
bcx wrote: post #130

It’s been a while since we had sf offices, but back when we did sf had a pretty aggressive additional payroll tax and gross receipts taxes. I’d imagine this is likely a factor in the decision. I know for a while they were waiving some of these taxes for companies who set up offices in certain parts of the city. E.g. zendesk got a big tax break for its market street location near the tenderloin. As for commutes, I’d b…

during one visit to those Zendesk offices an urgent slack message (verily) was sent out advising everyone to get away from the windows, as there was shooting outside. About 10 minutes later also via Slack the CEO announced not to worry it was simply one drug dealer shooting another drug dealer in the back. Everyone could return to their desks. I never understood why the company would put its employees in danger until…

This sounds so ridiculous from an outsider perspective, it's absolutely crazy! Oh nvm, it's just a drug dealer shooting another drug dealer

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Post by throwaway2037 »

thwarted wrote: post #770
throwaway2037 wrote: post #721

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> infrastructure improvements Do you mean biking infrastructure? Also, what do you do during the rainy season?

Rainy "season" in SF? That's January, and the past few years even January had been pretty dry. That is in fact why I think SF has a bad rap for being dirty: it doesn't rain very much. I've lived in SF since 2007, before that I'm Chicago for 14 years. I was recently back in Chicago for a few weeks. It gets just as dirty as SF or any other city, but it rained three times in a single week in Chicago (two with tornado wa…

SF is rainy for Dec/Jan/Feb according to Wiki climate data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco#Climate

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Post by mvdtnz »

hi-v-rocknroll wrote: post #617
janalsncm wrote: post #371

Had a recruiter call with Twitter a few months ago. Mandatory in office 5 days per week. Among other things, an hour commute both ways to work was not acceptable. Maybe they will have better luck in Santa Clara. I don’t buy any of the flamebait reasons for leaving SF. Reason 1 is money and reason 2 is talent pool.

Santa Clara-San Jose area is relatively still damn expensive. (Ask me how I know.) Anywhere with an RTO mandate is a hard pass. If they want to treat their employees like children and waste my time and money on pointless commuting to feel in-control, then count me out.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

dheera wrote: post #718
throwaway2037 wrote: post #711

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In SF, the northeast quadrant has most of the good public transit. Does that not fit your needs? And, I disagree that Taipei and Chengdu are significantly cleaner than SF -- about the same level of grime in my experience.

No. The public transit there hardly goes anywhere in reasonable time. It takes a good 40 minutes just to get across it. Many times I've walked faster to my destination than the public transit estimates. The Muni trolleys get stuck at intersections and red lights and don't move faster than cars. The BART only goes down 1 smelly street. I'd spend 2 hours round trip (1 hour each way) just to buy a vegetable from the nea…

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Post by ricardobayes »

curiousllama wrote: post #481
throw4847285 wrote: post #444

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Just in response to your second point, I do think that's specific to you and your circles. I know multiple retired or semi-retired people who have moved towards the center of a city. Without work to keep them occupied, they want the hustle and bustle, which means something to do. And driving has become more of a hassle and a barrier to the kinds of lives they want to live. These are east coast or midwest cities, so m…

Cities' attractiveness feels u-shaped Young adults love it bc they have the time to go to bars/restaurants/clubs Middle aged folks hate it because they're so busy - they can't take advantage, and other people get in their way (some) Older folks like it again bc they have the time to go to restaurants/theater

That's so true.
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