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Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

pixeldetracking wrote: post #618
lewantmontreal wrote: post #113

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This is what I’m interested in. Article itself did not mention cross site tracking. Every website having their own tracking subdomain makes third party cookies not work cross site even without browser changes.

yes, they would need to get another identifier, and that's what is done with players like Facebook. Sorry another of my articles in french: https://pixeldetracking.com/fr/les-signaux-resilients-de-fac... , but Facebook is making it easy to integrate their "Conversion API (CAPI)" with GTM Server-Side tagging

But that should only help e.g. a web store to track you from the ad you clicked, which seems reasonable.

It should not allow e.g. Facebook to link your activity on a news site to your Facecbook cookie, because while you're on cnn.com, your browser is using the cnn.com-specific cookie jar for everything, including the like button?

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

welterde wrote: post #750
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #595

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> Google Analytics has been recently ruled illegal in multiple European countries. Just about everything hosted by a non EU company just got ruled illegal (in the EU that is).

Not quite - only everything US-based, since they fall under the purview of the cloud act, which is incompatible with the GDPR (on purpose.. this is an entirely self-inflicted wound by the US).

> Not quite - only everything US-based

No anything with laws similar to the "cloud act", which is the norm rather then the exception, is illegal. It's quite rare for a country to allow companies inside it to say no to there government.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by Const-me »

fartcannon wrote: post #850
Const-me wrote: post #782

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Interesting idea, installed the addon. I’m using MS Edge BTW, Microsoft doesn’t care about Google’s advertisement revenue, the addon is available in their marketplace.

Microsoft doesn't care because they collect everything through their desktop environment. That's why you need an email to set windows up now.

> they collect everything through their desktop environment

There're many relevant questions during the install. If one actually uses the OS installation wizard GUI instead of skipping it with "next" buttons, Microsoft won't be collecting much.

Another thing, they don't have to because their business model is honest. They're building software, users are paying for that. Microsoft ain't an advertisement company, they have little motivation to track people.

> you need an email to set windows up now

I did clean installation of Windows 10 last week (recycled an old laptop after migrating to a new one), the email was optional.

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Post by mbesto »

carapace wrote: post #787
mbesto wrote: post #726

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> I don't think we need to discuss the meaning of words that are in the top 5000 commonly used dictionary words here. Good. We're on the same page then. Snarky response not required but okay. > Yes. It's called word-of-mouth and it is how it has always been done. I don't know where to start with how to respond, but I'll bite: Let's magically go back to the gold rush in the US. You're traveling from New York and arriv…

> Do you think businesses just magically get talked about with zero investment in marketing dollars? Yes. It's hardly magic. If some business or service provides a great value or "a better way of being" people naturally get excited and tell their friends. I'm not a domain expert but my understanding is that these organic word-of-mouth referrals and recommendations are waaaaaay more effective than any other form of ma…

> There are marketplaces that operate efficiently on word of mouth alone.

Which ones? Please enlighten me.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Post by ignoramous »

aliswe wrote: post #533
ignoramous wrote: post #367

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> India who don't like their citizens tracked... Pretty sure the Indian govt bullied everyone into getting an Aadhar. The quintessential tracking device.

It's a government .

...which likes to police, surveil, impose, oppress the governed a bit too much.

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

fartcannon wrote: post #850
Const-me wrote: post #782

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Interesting idea, installed the addon. I’m using MS Edge BTW, Microsoft doesn’t care about Google’s advertisement revenue, the addon is available in their marketplace.

Microsoft doesn't care because they collect everything through their desktop environment. That's why you need an email to set windows up now.

Luckily, ms provides throwaway mailboxes at outlook.com.

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Post by Teever »

themacguffinman wrote: post #843
Teever wrote: post #773

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How can you feign obliviousness so much that you can't see the difference between what ADT was doing in 1995 and what Google is doing in 2022?

I'm disappointed that you chose to respond in bad faith without any argument at all, I guess I shouldn't waste my time.

> You think installing cameras on your own property is stalking?

The moment that someone responded in bad faith was right here.

You know full well that we're talking about the companies that get the data from these devices and what they do with it, not the rubes that these companies trick into buying their stalking products.

You also know full well that ADT is in no way comparable to Google in this discussion given the order of magnitude difference in revenue between the two companies and the extensive integration between the intelligence community and Google.

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Post by tsimionescu »

nec4b wrote: post #834
tsimionescu wrote: post #794

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If you believe that the USSR (or China, etc.) were actual attempts at socialism or communism, do you also believe they were democracies? Socialism, by definition, is democratic workers' control of the means of production. A socialist dictatorial state is therefore an oxymoron. If the state itself is controlled by a violent maniac (Stalin, Mao, etc.), and the state owns and controls every aspect of society, including…

I know, every time it fails, it's not true communism. There was a running joke in communist countries on this subject too: There was once an important communist dignitary who was treating a sick cow. After the cow died, he said: "What a shame, I had so many more ideas to try!".

Please reply to my direct question. In which way did the USSR under Stalin allow worker control of the means of production?

This isn't a changing of goalposts, it is simply ignoring obvious lies and propaganda from a regime famous for its lack of regard for the truth.

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Post by dartharva »

bruce343434 wrote: post #345
dartharva wrote: post #273

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The client won't be able to distinguish between ads and actual content on the website if both come from the same source.

machine learning to the rescue!

Yeah I don't really see how ad blockers can remain free if they start implementing expensive methods like that.

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Post by fartcannon »

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #856
fartcannon wrote: post #850

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Microsoft doesn't care because they collect everything through their desktop environment. That's why you need an email to set windows up now.

Luckily, ms provides throwaway mailboxes at outlook.com.

It's not going to be much of a throwaway once it's associated with every activity you do on your computer and the internet. In fact, it might be one of the most valuable email addresses (to Microsoft) that you ever make.
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