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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by flipcoder »

pii wrote: post #839
flipcoder wrote: post #825

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> forcible suppression of opposition You mean like... censorship?

Yes, censorship. The kind like every conservative space I've ever known, online or offline, engages in. Also no not exclusively censorship, there are many parts to that definition.

People that support mass censorship of people discussing political ideas fit the definition of an authoritarian closer than any textbook conservative I know. I'm concerned about all forms of authoritarianism, including those that want to eliminate the free speech of their political opponents by labeling them as "fascists" or "communists" to exempt them from their rights even more than what they would do to a criminal. It's a matter of integrity and it's often confused with support of those ideas. This is because the authoritarian mindset usually categorizes all people who are against it into one category since their ideas cannot stand up to nuance. This is why they seek to ban speech.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by geofft »

dublin wrote: post #840
throwaway19937 wrote: post #581

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https://i.redd.it/om90nwadqca61.png is a Parler post with a racial slur and 25k upvotes. The court documents ( https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/29095511/parler-llc-v-a... ) from their case against Amazon contain other examples of hate speech.

"Hate Speech" as you call it, no matter how distasteful you may find it, is protected speech under the US Constitution, and thus (if also not a threat of violence, doxxing, or similar) is permitted on Gab. I have no problem with platforms allowing any and all speech, since it actually just allows stupid speakers to beclown themselves. Free speech is the most liberal idea there is - as Voltaire famously said, "I may d…

Voltaire never said that.

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Post by toomim »

pron wrote: post #313
toomim wrote: post #252

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Indeed, liberals are now commonly being mis-labeled as "far-right" in America. The left has become intolerant of conservative views, and labels anything conservative as "far-right". Liberals tend to entertain views across the spectrum, and thus are labeled as "far-right" by many people in the left.

Are conservative views -- low taxes, low regulation, strong military, opposition to abortion, opposition to gay marriage -- banned on Twitter? Let's be honest, we're talking about racism and anti-democracy, and if that's not far-right, what is?

No, you missed the part where this isn't about conservative values — it's about even liberals being banned and called far-right and racist and anti-democracy when they are nothing of the sort.

Liberals are being called racists and anti-democracy as a way of attacking and deplatforming anyone who disagrees with the leftist tribe. This isn't about values, it's about tribal allegiance.

If you actually believe that these people are far-right racists then there is a strong chance that you are being fooled by tribal manipulation.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

dagmx wrote: post #617
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #234

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Who is responsible for cancel culture? Tech censorship? "Believe All Women"? Who is calling for a new War on Terror targeting the domestic population?

Cancel culture is just a right wing word to deflect from accountability

"Censorship is just another word for accountability," says person claiming not to be in favor of censorship.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

notahacker wrote: post #849
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #842

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"Whatabout Kaepernick" is not a denial that the left is doing this, or even that they're not the primary offenders.

No, but the juxtaposition of "footballers' antiracist gestures must be silenced" with "We must intervene to prevent Big Tech from declining to broadcast racism" in the rhetoric of prominent mainstream US conservatives is a pretty good indication that the longstanding tradition they are actually defending isn't "free speech"...

That only works if your frame for literally everything is racism.

Kaepernick kneeling during the pledge of allegiance can only parse as an antiracist gesture if the thing being disrespected (flag/country) is presumed to be intrinsically racist, i.e. it's accusing the whole country of racism. There are a lot of non-racist patriots who would take offense to that. The answer still shouldn't be censorship, but calling any opposition racism is accepting the very premise that the people opposed to the gesture are opposing it over.

Moreover, the implication that everyone who has been canceled was a racist is contrary to evidence unless you're making some heavy tribalist assumptions about anything vaguely conservative automatically implying racism.

And you're still not addressing the original point, which was that the left going around canceling people over speech is inconsistent with freedom of speech. Nothing anyone on the right does can make that untrue.

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Post by colesantiago »

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #653
colesantiago wrote: post #479

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Who said this was 'OK'? Maybe don't deny the existence of people and perhaps you won't get those responses?

> Who said this was 'OK'? You're constantly implying that they deserve it with sentences like "Maybe don't deny the existence of people and perhaps you won't get those responses?". I'm telling you that's being a huge dick because nobody deserves to be told that they should be killed, even if they are massive assholes themselves. And now you're trying to weasel-word your way out of it without admitting that those twee…

Well tweets don't really kill you though do they? They are not directed at anyone, at most it is vented frustration from the oppressed that is trans people.

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Post by pnt12 »

timsayshey wrote: post #593

I think all censorship should be deplored. My position is that bits are not a bug. That we should create communications technologies that allow people to send whatever they like to each other. And when people put their thumbs on the scale and try to say what can and can't be sent, we should fight back - both politically through protest and technologically through software. - Aaron Swartz

It seems Gab banned anti-christian messages. So the 'freedom of speech' in this community is pretty much a dogwhistle for'freedom of alt-right speech'.

(Not sure dogwhistle is the right word here, but it's the often case of 'freedom of speech' actually meaning 'freedom of hate speech', like how often 'truth' is used to actually mean 'unscientific conspiracy theories'.)

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Post by pnt12 »

guerrilla wrote: post #457

In case you missed Gab's CEO responding to this: https://web.archive.org/web/20210228203106/https://twitter.c...

From the first sentence alone, I can already imagine what kind of community Gab has... The "freedom of speech", as in "freedom of hate speech" kind of community, probably.

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

colesantiago wrote: post #856
DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #653

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> Who said this was 'OK'? You're constantly implying that they deserve it with sentences like "Maybe don't deny the existence of people and perhaps you won't get those responses?". I'm telling you that's being a huge dick because nobody deserves to be told that they should be killed, even if they are massive assholes themselves. And now you're trying to weasel-word your way out of it without admitting that those twee…

Well tweets don't really kill you though do they? They are not directed at anyone, at most it is vented frustration from the oppressed that is trans people.

> tweets don't really kill you

You can say that in response to any hateful tweet. Racism? "tweets don't kill you". Openly advocating for genocide? "tweets don't kill you". Claiming pineapple is a perfectly valid pizza topping? "tweets don't kill you".

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by banannaise »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #419
kstenerud wrote: post #381

I spent a number of years living in America in the past, and made friends with people across the political spectrum there. And what has always stood out to me is how much hatred and animosity the American right and left have for each other. Talk with someone over beers long enough and they really open up about it, probably because I'm an outsider. As far as political orientation goes, by worldwide standards America a…

Politics are the same everywhere. There's always an enemy and they're always dehumanized. It's always about empowering yourself and your group at the expense of everyone else.

The ideology you're describing is fascism. Power for power's sake, enemies for enemies' sake.

That these look like the politics everywhere should scare the hell out of all of us.

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