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Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Reading so many comments here quoting the Biden campaign that the meeting did not appear on the official schedule and therefore the story is complete debunked. At this point I don't even know what to say honestly.

That wording is the main reason I think it’s true (though other info points to it being false).

Why wouldn’t Biden just simply deny the story if the meeting never took place?

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

#852

Amidst all this chatter, the deafening silence regarding the veracity of that NYP article. Knowing the facts would really put this discussion in focus: preventing spread of misinformation vs censorship.

What nyp article are you referencing?

The one this is about? https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden...

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Why is everyone ignoring @jack's official explanation for why Twitter blocked the specific link from being shared? This is the one falsifiable action Twitter clearly took. Twitters official policy is to not allow publication of hacked material or information with Personally Identifying Information - and this material was hacked and had unredacted personal email addresses. I haven't seen any reasonable arguments again…

> Twitters official policy is to not allow publication of hacked material or information with Personally Identifying Information The root of the issue here is that Twitter is the one deciding this in the first place. What appears on their platform influences large numbers of people. I know it, you know it, and know it too--influencing people to e.g. buy stuff is how they make money after all. It's not hard to underst…

Weird that nobody ever talks this way about ISPs... only politically motivated attacks against technology companies that are in the limelight

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

#854

Why is everyone ignoring @jack's official explanation for why Twitter blocked the specific link from being shared? This is the one falsifiable action Twitter clearly took. Twitters official policy is to not allow publication of hacked material or information with Personally Identifying Information - and this material was hacked and had unredacted personal email addresses. I haven't seen any reasonable arguments again…

> Twitters official policy is to not allow publication of hacked material or information with Personally Identifying Information The root of the issue here is that Twitter is the one deciding this in the first place. What appears on their platform influences large numbers of people. I know it, you know it, and know it too--influencing people to e.g. buy stuff is how they make money after all. It's not hard to underst…

> without being accountable to the public

Edit (I should have included this), Disclosure: I work at Google Cloud and have worked with folks at Twitter (but never their policy teams or anything).

I would say that compared to many cable news sources, the mean time to response of Twitter and Facebook is actually better. No media company is perfect. Unfortunately, no media company is particularly accountable to the public (anymore).

It’s fair (right?) to be concerned about control of media. I think it’s less clear that Twitter is less accountable, less responsive, or more impactful than other major media sources.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

#855

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How does this constitute hacking? IIUC, the idea is that the whole thing was a setup from start to finish: 1. Burisma emails were hacked; 2. Hunter Biden's iCloud account was hacked; 3. They bought a Mac, dumped a bunch of the hacked photos, along with some real hacked emails and some forged ones; 4. Sent someone over to the computer shop with the frame up on the laptop already in place; 5. Either the store owner wa…

If that were true, we would already be hearing denials about those emails. The fact that we haven't, indicates to me that they are instead going to tack on the "official Biden schedule shows he didn't meet with this guy" line because the emails are legit.

It's perfectly plausible that the Biden campaign has no idea if they're authentic or not, because neither he nor anyone on his campaign were on them. The only people who actually know if they're authentic or not are Hunter Biden, the sender, and anyone who has the emails. Which, incidentally, includes the NYP, who could mathematically prove their authenticity instantly by simply publishing them in the raw. In fact, if the NYP did any due diligence at all, they already verified the emails themselves. Which raises the question: why are they publishing just the images?

My bet is that the NYP didn't bother to verify the emails, because they don't even know how to do basic due diligence on these types of things. (I would guess they're authentic though, FWIW.)

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) Was this Twitter policy new as in the last few days? 2) If not, how did they treat the NYT's Trump tax papers ( clearly hacked from some sources, since it was not revealed). For all one knows, at the time of release, it could have been fake? 3) Does twitter/FB have processes to identify hacked material? For these reasons, @jack's explanation is not being accepted.

second this, twitter's bias did not start with the recent one, it has been a while, quite a while. facebook is no better, google search no better either. someone should be locked up, to avoid further tensions between two sides and who knows, maybe civil war or something alike. People can die because of its biased censorship.

This is exactly right. If FB, Twitter or HN apply their Terms of service rules selectively (or that the ToS are biased against specific political candidates or groups or opinions) -- then they are not a neutral platform.

If they are not a neutral platform, these companies must not be able to claim protections reserved for neutral platforms (like this section 230).

It is the same as a for-profit business must not claim same tax benefits as a Non-profit Charity. If they do, their execs will likely face jail time.

Systemic violoaters, would face more jail time.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

#858

Reading so many comments here quoting the Biden campaign that the meeting did not appear on the official schedule and therefore the story is complete debunked. At this point I don't even know what to say honestly.

That wording is the main reason I think it’s true (though other info points to it being false). Why wouldn’t Biden just simply deny the story if the meeting never took place?

The campaign's original response was the nonsense about the official schedule. This politico reporter managed a better response:

"Biden’s campaign would not rule out the possibility that the former VP had some kind of informal interaction with Pozharskyi, which wouldn’t appear on Biden’s official schedule. But they said any encounter would have been cursory. Pozharskyi did not respond to a request for comment."

Isn't it amazing? Speculative past tense! "Would have been"!

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/14/biden-campaign-lash...

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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post #838

Why is everyone ignoring @jack's official explanation for why Twitter blocked the specific link from being shared? This is the one falsifiable action Twitter clearly took. Twitters official policy is to not allow publication of hacked material or information with Personally Identifying Information - and this material was hacked and had unredacted personal email addresses. I haven't seen any reasonable arguments again…

- Can you point me to a link of how this was hacked? My understanding is that the laptop was given to a mac repair place and then they didn't pay for it. I have no idea why someone would do not pay for their repair though. - A lot of people are focusing on the Donald Trump tax returns which were hacked in a way but accepted on Twitter. They have personally identifiable information too as in when you go to the IRS web…

Somebody dropped off a laptop and never identified themselves nor was there any paperwork, and the owner happens to be unable to see anybody well enough to recognize them, and this laptop has highly personal and sensitive information, and nobody ever returns for it or inquires about it? How is anybody taking this story seriously?

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

#860

Why is everyone ignoring @jack's official explanation for why Twitter blocked the specific link from being shared? This is the one falsifiable action Twitter clearly took. Twitters official policy is to not allow publication of hacked material or information with Personally Identifying Information - and this material was hacked and had unredacted personal email addresses. I haven't seen any reasonable arguments again…

>intelligence community heard chatter + >see patterns that fit their preconceptions = ++good; // badstory rectify
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