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Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by ausjke »

foolinaround wrote: post #685
sangnoir wrote: post #185

Why is everyone ignoring @jack's official explanation for why Twitter blocked the specific link from being shared? This is the one falsifiable action Twitter clearly took. Twitters official policy is to not allow publication of hacked material or information with Personally Identifying Information - and this material was hacked and had unredacted personal email addresses. I haven't seen any reasonable arguments again…

1) Was this Twitter policy new as in the last few days? 2) If not, how did they treat the NYT's Trump tax papers ( clearly hacked from some sources, since it was not revealed). For all one knows, at the time of release, it could have been fake? 3) Does twitter/FB have processes to identify hacked material? For these reasons, @jack's explanation is not being accepted.

second this, twitter's bias did not start with the recent one, it has been a while, quite a while.

facebook is no better, google search no better either.

someone should be locked up, to avoid further tensions between two sides and who knows, maybe civil war or something alike. People can die because of its biased censorship.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by DaniloDias »

btbuildem wrote: post #690

Amidst all this chatter, the deafening silence regarding the veracity of that NYP article. Knowing the facts would really put this discussion in focus: preventing spread of misinformation vs censorship.

What nyp article are you referencing?

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by DaniloDias »

tootie wrote: post #398
intrasight wrote: post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly - blocking it just brought it to the front page.

You're assuming Twitter's intent is to bury the story. Their intent is to not be involved or liable.

“The mission we serve as Twitter, Inc. is to give everyone the power to create and share ideas and information instantly without barriers. Our business and revenue will always follow that mission in ways that improve – and do not detract from – a free and global conversation.”

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by boogies »

sangnoir wrote: post #203
CivBase wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does this constitute hacking? The repair shop almost certainly retains ownership of unclaimed deviced after some period of time. The shop owns the laptop. The data is theirs to do with as they please and they chose to publish it (at least, that's the story). No hacking necessary.

> The data is theirs to do with as they please. No hacking necessary. I'd love to see the jurisprudence on this. If there are any photos, do they also get the copyrights? Can they share any nudes they find? How about that Adobe license? As a non-lawyer, it is clear that owning the medium doesn't mean you own the information on it (or the cloud wouldn't be a thing). If we agree on that, then logically, it is possible…

So is all piracy hacking?

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by mas3god »

sangnoir wrote: post #185

Why is everyone ignoring @jack's official explanation for why Twitter blocked the specific link from being shared? This is the one falsifiable action Twitter clearly took. Twitters official policy is to not allow publication of hacked material or information with Personally Identifying Information - and this material was hacked and had unredacted personal email addresses. I haven't seen any reasonable arguments again…

If they actually didnt use those rules to suppress a political faction youd see tens of articles censored about Trumps tax returns, russiagate, snowden, wikileaks, etc. But we dont see that behavior, so theyre clearly censoring to conrtol US politics.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by throwawaygh »

boogies wrote: post #695
sangnoir wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The data is theirs to do with as they please. No hacking necessary. I'd love to see the jurisprudence on this. If there are any photos, do they also get the copyrights? Can they share any nudes they find? How about that Adobe license? As a non-lawyer, it is clear that owning the medium doesn't mean you own the information on it (or the cloud wouldn't be a thing). If we agree on that, then logically, it is possible…

So is all piracy hacking?

S/hacking/violation of CFAA or similar state statute. Hacking is often used as a shortcut for “computer crime”.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by jancsika »

prudhvis wrote: post #223

I have no idea what happened during the early 2010s. I grew up during the late 90s (born in late 80s) learning about the internet and its philosophies. Allowing Free speech still is the hill I'd like to die on. But the new generation of people, even here on HN and the internet hacker personalities I used to align with have turned so pro-censorship that I don't believe I'm in a proper reality/timeline anymore.

> I grew up during the late 90s (born in late 80s) learning about the internet and its philosophies.

And with this specific case, I'm with you on your hill.

But more broadly we're usually not talking about the web from the late 90s. We're talking about a handful of modern social networks most of which use of anti-democratic dark patterns. And algorithms that are known to push a given percentage of users down a rabbithole, who can then be weaponized for who knows what purpose by who knows which nasty actors.

In essence, we're talking about factories which-- if there were a market for it-- could produce a version of the internet from the 90s with the slight difference that a sizable proportion of your 90s internet acquaintances happen to spout racist rhetoric and becoming walking, talking bioweapons this time around.

I know that's not the topic here. But that is a much bigger problem IMO and the answer of "more speech" is at most helplessly incomplete wrt it.

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Post by leggomuhgreggo »

mhh__ wrote: post #553
mc32 wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So obviously no Wikileaks or any “sources inside the $agency with access to information” (but with no clearance to leak) cannot be published on Twitter any more, right? No guessing in who poisoned Navalni, etc... Got it!

If it forces wikileaks to redact the CC details of innocent bystanders then I'm all for it.

I believe they did that without needing promting from Twitter's policy censoring political speech

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by kyle_martin1 »

sangnoir wrote: post #185

Why is everyone ignoring @jack's official explanation for why Twitter blocked the specific link from being shared? This is the one falsifiable action Twitter clearly took. Twitters official policy is to not allow publication of hacked material or information with Personally Identifying Information - and this material was hacked and had unredacted personal email addresses. I haven't seen any reasonable arguments again…

This wasn't hacked. It was legally obtained as it was left and became business property after repeated attempts of returning the machine.

Jack's response came much after the censorship actions were taken. You have to analyze with timelime. his PR firm told him he needed to do damage control.

Moreover why was this policy not applied to Trump's alleged tax return? This is one of many examples one could give. You may be too far in the SF bubble or not have a diverse news list.

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