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U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by Shuang1 »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #181
graemep wrote: post #95

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Palestine Action has been designated a terrorist group in the UK as well after sabotaging military aircraft (the article says they sprayed paint, but does not say it was sprayed inside jet engines, rendering them inoperable). Masar Badil supports "armed struggle". One of the other groups ("hammer") recently designated a terrorist group (and linked to A/I Collective in another article I read ) got its name by attackin…

> Palestine Action has been designated a terrorist group in the UK as well after sabotaging military aircraft This is already an extreme perversion of justice all on its own. Damaging military equipment is absolutely outside any useful definition of terrorism. This is simply armed conflict.

Are you implying that PA is a military organization that is at war with the UK? I don't think you actually have thought through the implications of that. If this were the case, they would be considered legitimate military targets who can be killed.

That would be a lot worse for them than sanctions.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by culi »

p-e-w wrote: post #668
culi wrote: post #454

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You want them to be "held accountable" for supporting groups that don't align with the ideology of the US whitehouse.

If you select who you provide services to based on their ideology, you can’t shrug and say “I’m just an infrastructure provider, same as the electrical grid” when it turns out that some of those individuals committed crimes using the stuff you gave them. That’s a very different situation compared to the standard “sign up with your email here”. The provider is responsible because they picked their clients, rather than…

> If you select who you provide services to based on their ideology

Nobody in the world DOES NOT do this. If an advertiser takes down their ads from a website because that website is spreading white supremacy then they are doing just the same. As they should.

Also where do they claim they are "just an infrastructure provider"? They clearly say throughout that they provide services for anti-racist/anti-sexist/etc orgs that can't afford to do it themselves.

They do not make a profit. They are not a company. They are literally a group of friends helping orgs out.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by culi »

mdp2021 wrote: post #665
inigyou wrote: post #617

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Yes, see, if you sell guns, but you only sell guns to people who promise to use them for defense, but don't sell them to people who promise to murder, that makes you an activist gun seller and personally responsible for whatever happens with those guns.

Either you wanted to be sarcastic or your simile did not work well.

The metaphor is ridiculous and that's the point. GP is saying the GGP's argument is just as ridiculous

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by inigyou »

like_any_other wrote: post #836
inigyou wrote: post #835

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If I wear a MAGA hat does that make me MAGA? If I wear a MAGA hat and shoot a bunch of people does that mean MAGA are serial killers?

So your argument is every single instance of antifa doing something bad was a false flag? Do you have any evidence to support this no-true-Scotsman?

Can you answer the question please?

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by epolanski »

polski-g wrote: post #434
mdp2021 wrote: post #223

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> Nobody In the USA - the consequences should be only related to USA pertinent actors. The newspapers in Italy say, "there is no judgement against them in Italy".

If Italy doesn't shut down their services, the Italy itself will be shut out of SWIFT.

I doubt this is how it works, besides, swift is an international organization, not a US one.

US laws and sentences does not apply beyond US borders unless differently agreed.

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by jrflowers »

inigyou wrote: post #805
jrflowers wrote: post #616

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Can you name some of the communist billionaires

George Soros

I was hoping to hear from CMay who sends very knowledgeable about billionaire communists, but ok. Is it just the one or are there other communist billionaires?

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by inigyou »

Shuang1 wrote: post #839
Avicebron wrote: post #3

I clicked around a bit, read the manifesto, I still have no idea what these people do. I guess they claim to have been around for a while, but a bunch of the links don't work and the manifesto has definitely been updated to reflect 2026 opinions. What is this?

There's a lot of talking around this in the comment section for some reason: they allegedly provide infrastructure for recognized terrorist organizations such as Hamas and Palestine Action (the group that attacked UK air force bases).

So does WhatsApp

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by inigyou »

dismalaf wrote: post #819
inigyou wrote: post #745

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How will that tell us who the fascists are?

Do you even have a definition of fascist? Is it: 1) Right wingers 2) People who hate Jews and glorify Hitler 3) Governments who make laws requiring corporations to cooperate with the state

Why do you present three equally ridiculous options?

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by talon8635 »

inigyou wrote: post #614
talon8635 wrote: post #445

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Well the nazis called themselves socialist. I’m not saying this is that, but names are often chosen to mislead people I don’t think antifa is an kind of organized anything But I can say with certainty that people claiming that title smashes the shit out of property and people for a few years post Floyd where I’ve been in various areas of the west coast Some are probably genuine do-gooders who oppose fascism. Others a…

It's super easy for me to claim the title of something I don't like, and then go smash a bunch of property. For example I could call myself a Republican, then smash a bunch of property. Would you then believe republicans are violent property smashers?

There are absolutely right of center people that smash shit up to. Did I say there weren’t?

Neither side is free of fools

Re: U.S. sanctions against the A/I Collective

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Post by inigyou »

veeti wrote: post #507
undeveloper wrote: post #326

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> violent attacks > on energy infrastructure that's not violence

When it's -30c outside and your house hasn't had heating for days, you might disagree.

Is it violence if the power company disconnects you for non-payment, too?
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