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All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #722
rythie wrote: post #584

It’s been long enough that people of forgotten what’s it’s like. Cameras still have replaceable batteries, there are several benefits: I can have two (or more) batteries, if it runs out I just change it. I don’t need walk around with a USB battery pack and cable hanging off the device preventing me from using it properly. I can put the battery on charge somewhere and leave it, even if not completely secure, because j…

Having a battery pack has its uses though. As crazy as USBC is, you can now get a relatively large amount of power from a battery pack. There’s a bunch of things that don’t need their own battery if they just drew enough power off USBC. I have an office coffee setup. My grinder and espresso maker have their own batteries. But there’s no reason I couldn’t have a single battery pack and just plug both into USBC saving…

240W max is very little when it comes to hearing up water, and most powerbanks don't even do more than 100W output. That's more in the range of those swappable tool batteries.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by bmicraft »

thrownthatway wrote: post #724
bigfishrunning wrote: post #717

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too scary to sit on a battery and possibly breach it. Keep em on your belt like batman.

Who carries there wallet in their back pocket?

Many people do, although I too don't get why

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by edflsafoiewq »

pllbnk wrote: post #809

I find it so weird that European regulation targets very specific niches while avoiding generalization. In order to reduce plastic pollution, they forced manufacturers to make attached bottle caps (terrible idea) but go to the supermarket and there are various fruits and vegetables each unit wrapped in plastic separately. Now they are targeting phones but I also want my handheld and robot vacuum cleaners, electric to…

The regulation targets most portable electronics, not just phones.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by n4r9 »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #778

I used to work for Nokia back when they still made phones. Replaceable batteries were very normal then. Phones were a bit thicker than today but not massively so. These days phones are actually thinner but much larger. I had a "are you happy to see me or is that a Nokia" type Nokia 9300. That was a brick. But it had a full hw keyboard. and flipped open it wasn't that much bigger than a modern smart phone. You could a…

Nokia still make phones. They even had a line of smartphones until last year. I've got an XR20 "rugged" phone that's served me well for a few years.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by choo-t »

nick486 wrote: post #801
bigfishrunning wrote: post #718

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Because people will buy that phone and keep it much longer. When phones had replaceable batteries, they needed replaced after a couple of years because they were terrible. I'm now on a several year old pixel phone that I'm happy with, but eventually the battery will wear out and I'll have to replace it. Google likes it that way.

You don't have to replace the phone. You can go to some repair shop and get the battery replaced. It will be several times cheaper than a new phone. Very few people do that. I don't. Because a) general software enshittification makes me need a more powerful decice anyway, and, more importantly, b) people are just happy to have an excuse to get the the new shiny.

> You don't have to replace the phone. You can go to some repair shop and get the battery replaced. It will be several times cheaper than a new phone.

Still way more expensive than swapping a battery pack, and this mean leaving your phone to a stranger for a few hours or maybe a day if the shop is really busy. Anything that add friction to changing battery will help sell new phone.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by krige »

Ray20 wrote: post #823
ahf8Aithaex7Nai wrote: post #806

> Why isn't there any significant demand for replaceable batteries? Most consumers are like pigs who simply eat whatever the market throws into their trough, because ultimately they have better things to do than to get deeply involved in every purchasing decision. > If replaceable batteries were better, they would already be available. Developments like those in the smartphone market involve complex path dependencies…

> That’s why you can’t simply assume that competition will lead to the product offerings converging on the best product. You also can't simply assume that an existing solution on the market is not the best already. I mean, who told us that smartphones with user-replaceable batteries are better than smartphones that are 0.5 mm thinner because their batteries are non-replaceable? The same people who want to ban encrypt…

> I mean, who told us that smartphones with user-replaceable batteries are better than smartphones that are 0.5 mm thinner because their batteries are non-replaceable? The same people who want to ban encryption? Even apart from the ad-hominem FUD argumentation, currently, it's the people who refuse to ban encryption even after it was pushed to them multiple times.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

bmicraft wrote: post #841
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #722

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a battery pack has its uses though. As crazy as USBC is, you can now get a relatively large amount of power from a battery pack. There’s a bunch of things that don’t need their own battery if they just drew enough power off USBC. I have an office coffee setup. My grinder and espresso maker have their own batteries. But there’s no reason I couldn’t have a single battery pack and just plug both into USBC saving…

240W max is very little when it comes to hearing up water, and most powerbanks don't even do more than 100W output. That's more in the range of those swappable tool batteries.

The Ikape Cera+ can heat water from room temp but it can’t do this many times.

But in many environments you don’t have to heat from cold. There’s often a Zip tap or kettle to get you most of the way.

But maybe the internal battery can deliver more power directly to the heating element.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by ymolodtsov »

The EU with its mama energy again.

I use 15 Pro. I don't like the new aluminium iPhones much. So I just went it to Apple service center and had the battery replaced. It costs just 90 euros and I now have a brand new phone, basically.

I very much prefer my phone to be thinner, water resistant, and have a larger battery compared to being able to do it myself.

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