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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Obviously, given that Netanyahu is the face of the entity at the root cause of all of these problems.

Oh, please enlighten us what is the entity, don’t be a coward!

Israel of course, I'm sorry I thought that was clear. I do not shy away from stating the obvious.

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The canonical example is WWii Germany. Denazification actually sort of worked. But it required a lot of effort, resources and special circumstances.

Germany was also split in two for fifty years.

fourty

(1945 - 1949 it was split in 4 occupation zones)

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Obviously has nothing to do with oil companies or oil, this is a war on behalf of Israel. Netanyahu visited Trump 6 times in the past year. Prominent Zionists and Israelis inside the US have been agitating for the US to do this for years, especially since Trump took office last year.

Wars are almost always about commerce, history has shown that. Ideology is used to back the motive publicly, but the reason for involvement is almost always trade or commerce. This case could be different, but it is not obvious to me that this case is any different. A simple example is WW1 where the US was forced to back the UK because of their large debt to US banks, despite them still being a colonist power at the…

There is no evidence this strike has anything to do with oil, our leadership is not even saying that we will be involved with the changes on the ground. Oil prices are extremely low and have been so for a while now, domestic production is huge and we just claimed Venezuela's for ourselves as well. We have plenty of oil and again, there is just no evidence that this is motivated in any way by oil.

It is purely because Iran is a rival and check on Israel. Most of the US oligarchy has strong ties to Israel and they have made huge donations to Trump so that he would do this for them. Take a look at Miriam Adelson, Sheldon Adelson, Larry Elison, Ronald Lauder. These are mega donors who have been agitating for regime change in Iran from the very beginning. Go watch the speeches that Trump has given IN Israel, this has been their aim the entire time.

This conflict is extremely religious in nature, a huge contingent of Christians in the US believe that Israel ruling the middle east out of Jerusalem means that the end times will arrive sooner. Similarly a large contingent of Jews believe that their Messiah will return when they control the middle east.

Watch the Tucker interviews with Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee, many of these people are true believers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism

>A 2017 LifeWay poll conducted in United States found that 80% of evangelical Christians believed that the creation of Israel in 1948 was a fulfillment of biblical prophecy that would bring about Christ's return and more than 50% of Evangelical Christians believed that they support Israel because it is important for fulfilling the prophecy.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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I have no doubt that they didn't like that the regime, which is why they left. But this assassination is no guarantee of change for the better. Far from it.

It’s no guarantee, but it is a good opportunity. I’m half-Persian, and certainly not as closely connected as others, but it’s hard to see this as a bad thing. There’s a possibility I can go visit my family in Iran as a result of this. I haven’t had a good chance for that in like 4 years

A friend of mine, EU member, hasn't been able to visit USA because he was cricizing us gov (under BIdden), still not allowed. Ban and censorship isn't specific to Iran, many western nations love it too.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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What is happening to this world. There is so many intense events happening in a such short time. I feel like we are truly living in weird times. Trumpet is out here deciding the fate of countries future for his own good. Now, it so happens to be something that benefited the Iranians. But I do not think he did it for the people directly, rather a side effect. I feel like I've lost the touch of which direction our futu…

Exactly just because the dictator was horrible doesn’t give the US the right to attack other countries. I see no difference between Russia, Israel, America. They’re all hostile countries which should be sanctioned for human rights violations and violating international law.

This.

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I realized how different the Iranian definition of "democracy" is compared to Western democracies when I was discussing Iranian elections with a regime supporter.

Me: "What about the Guardian Council having veto power over presidential candidates?"

Him: "Well, you can't let a goat herder be president!"

Say what you want about American democracy, but we do let any idiot run for president.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Pretty much by definition, dictators do not allow themselves to be removed by the people through peaceful means, which is why it's easy to draw a line there. If someone's a dictator, it's morally okay to kill them. Always.

Why isn't Trump bombarding the Kremlin? Isn't Putin a much larger threat to world peace than any leader of Iran? Also, it's never "morally okay" to kill anyone, ever; the fact that the US still has the death penalty shows how little they understand about morals and logic.

Because it's easier for him to bully Iran, it just so happens that Iran's government is worthy of bullying.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Not a killing, but capturing Noriega did in fact work out well. Panama of today is generally stable and rich (by Latam standards anyway).

This is prime cherry-picked propaganda bullshit. What about Augusto Pinochet, to name drop a counterexample? How did that work out for the Chilean people? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet#U.S._backing_...

Okay, then how about Japan and West Germany?

It's almost like whether "regime change" works or not depends on the specifics. It's not something that can be universally generalized.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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I don't know whether I'm "kidding" or not, but I might as well post what immediately came to mind as I read this: Sandra Bland et al. ICE detainments The excess 20k (as far as absolute numbers go) road fatalities in the US versus Iran. And the excess I-have-no-idea-how-many-k who died under Trump's bungled COVID response (and who are going to die from Biden's bungled rail strike response)(and who died under Obama's f…

Rail strike response casualties? Can you flesh that out a bit?

Everything that has and will happen due to poor working conditions after he broke the rail strike in 2022. The cause celebre was the East Palestine derailment, but conditions are still unconscionable, and it's hard to conceive of a situation where rail laborers are overworked and under-supported doesn't result in more, and worse, incidents like that one. And then, of course, there are the knock-on environmental and economic effects.

It's not the only objectionable thing Biden's administration is solely responsible for, just the one that came to mind.

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