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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by verteu »

justanotheratom wrote: post #461
knowaveragejoe wrote: post #411

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Source?

let me paste the source for the fifth time in this conversation: If you ask Grok, it will point you to the source. But let me do that for you below. Original Transcript: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/2v8g39z2ab1jo0waj6tn4/AJhMeQd... MR. BILL WHITAKER: And yet Prime Minister Netanyahu seems to be charting his own course. The Biden-Harris Administration has pressed him to agree to a ceasefire, he's resisted. You urged…

> They cut and pasted answers from a different question

No, the transcript you pasted shows it's part of her answer from the same question.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by unethical_ban »

timewizard wrote: post #827
unethical_ban wrote: post #771

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A civic duty is not a legal duty. You have the legal right not to vote. My opinion is you are failing your government and your own interests when you don't vote. I agree that plurality voting is bad. We should have a system where candidates are ranked, so voter sentiment is better expressed and more than two candidates have a chance at winning. The system we have now needs to be worked, until we get a new system. If…

> you are failing your government and your own interests when you don't vote. This is a representative democracy. How exactly am I "failing my interests" when I don't vote?

I don't see how this being a representative democracy at all implies "not voting" is a wise strategy.

If you have any opinion on the operation of government and you don't express it when asked, please explain how that's beneficial to you.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by pmarreck »

mptest wrote: post #567
c0redump wrote: post #526

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Don’t bother trying to convince him. He’s relishing in the brutality against people he hates. He might try to intellectualize it (in the spirit of HN), but it’s coming from a place of pure emotion. Namely, anger, bitterness, resentment, insecurity, fear, and hatred.

Agreed, but I still see value in wasting my working hours making sure people here at least see the reality. All I have to offer this forum while I'm a student is politics, which I do know better than at least some here. There is no technology I can really offer a valuable opinion on, more than the experts here. It's my armchair activism to at least make sure that the left's point of view is not wholly absent on this…

It would be better if your goal was not to make "the left's point of view" more well-known (which is just pushing an ideology), but to call out unsubstantiated rightwing BS using evidence and reason.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by aweiland »

harry8 wrote: post #687
TOMDM wrote: post #515

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The Twitter files that document the FBI requesting takedown of posts and accounts, Twitter internally debating the request, refusing the FBI and then suffering no consequences? Those Twitter files? Meanwhile Trump is suing pollsters for publications he doesn't like; extorting law firms for representation as reparation for them representing clients that sued him, who is deporting lawful permenant residents without due…

> refusing the FBI and then suffering no consequences The whole thing was clearly just a partisan smear job in your eyes. Precisely the same reaction as the views of current maga types about the current first am disasters. It's worth revisiting /precisely/ in relation to fighting the current assault. It's worth noting who publicly opposed /both/.

The twitter files were well curated by Musk and team to tell a certain story. Is that not the definition of a partisan smear job?

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Post by pmarreck »

clipsy wrote: post #228
pmarreck wrote: post #203

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> How do you know she wasn't being arrested for one here? Perhaps we could have some sort of public trial where some of her peers -- let's say a dozen -- could hear the facts and decide on whether she's committed a crime.

Perfect example of what I was angling at:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/doj-says-mahmoud-khalil...

(Read the 5 paragraphs that begin with "He allegedly did not disclose".)

Everyone was up in arms about this guy a few days ago based on "how things looked"; turns out he was willfully hiding multiple affiliations that would have raised red flags against his visa. Which, of course, now raised a giant red flag against it. There is no government on the planet that would have been OK with misrepresenting yourself as a visa applicant (this is also known as "lying"). But because the US did, and because the news is so hyper-polarized, tHe gEsTaPo iS cOmInG yOu gUyS!1!!!!1! /eye-roll

Now you might disagree with me on whether these affiliations had merit with regards to invalidating a visa, but lying or withholding information to give your visa a better chance to pass is something that you must surely understand might be a problem.

There is so far no reason to assume that the woman arrested didn't make similar mistakes. That's all I'm saying.

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Post by pmarreck »

mptest wrote: post #236
pmarreck wrote: post #203

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Because the agency that arrested her told us why she was arrested, and it was "supporting terrorism" ie writing an oped opposing israel's genocide, when they certainly have no hesitation to mention the crimes when they are there?? Oh and the agency already has a well documented history of arresting innocent people? Look up "ice collateral arrests" "autism awareness deportation" or "soccer coach deported for real madr…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43539462

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Post by pmarreck »

mptest wrote: post #236
pmarreck wrote: post #203

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Because the agency that arrested her told us why she was arrested, and it was "supporting terrorism" ie writing an oped opposing israel's genocide, when they certainly have no hesitation to mention the crimes when they are there?? Oh and the agency already has a well documented history of arresting innocent people? Look up "ice collateral arrests" "autism awareness deportation" or "soccer coach deported for real madr…

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Post by Conscat »

anal_reactor wrote: post #678
Conscat wrote: post #337

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> "free-speech does not mean freedom from consequences" This is a actually a slogan in support of free speech. Of course people are allowed to say transphobic things online or downtown, but that would surely make some of their coworkers uncomfortable and that's pretty disqualifying from most employment. You're allowed to say things, but colleagues are allowed to respond in kind within the law.

Of course people are allowed to say MAGA-phobic things online or downtown, but that would surely make some of their coworkers uncomfortable and that's pretty disqualifying from most employment. You're allowed to say things, but colleagues are allowed to respond in kind within the law.

I'm not certain what MAGA-phobic could mean etymologically, since a "phobia" is an irrational fear of something, such as an irrational fear of people transitioning sex. Opposition to MAGA is typically rooted in the very rational and well-evidenced fear that one might be persecuted for their religious affiliation or sexuality, among other things.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by pmarreck »

sorcerer-mar wrote: post #232
pmarreck wrote: post #203

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Uhhh because 1) she hasn't been charged and 2) Marco Rubio has, on multiple occasions, said that it's because "no country in the world would keep a social activist that comes in and tears up our university campuses." https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-ic... Another case is Badar Khan Suni who is here on a valid student visa, and DHS said they targeted for “actively spreading Hamas propaganda an…

> Bahar Khan Suri (spelling corrected; assuming this is him)

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/21/us/bahar-khan-suri-deportatio... "While the filing does not mention Saleh’s father by name, The New York Times reported that Ahmed Yousef – a former adviser to Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh – confirmed in a voice message that he was Suri’s father-in-law."

It's certainly sus, but I'd agree that if he was actually trying to work for peace, as he claims, and that this was demonstrable, this was pretty unjust at first glance

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