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Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

I am surprised at the negativity from HN. Their clear goal is to build superintelligence. Listen to any of the interviews with Altman, Demis Hassabis, or Dario Amodei (Anthropic) on the purpose of this. They discuss the roadmaps to unlimited energy, curing disease, farming innovations to feed billions, permanent solutions to climate change, and more. Does no one on HN believe in this anymore? Isn't this tech startup…

All of those things would put them out of business if realized and are just a PR smokescreen.

Have we not seen enough of these people to know their character? They're predators who, from all accounts, sacrifice every potentially meaningful personal relationship for money, long after they have more than most people could ever dream of. If we legalized gladiatorial blood sport and it became a billion-dollar business, they'd be doing that. If monkey torture porn was a billion dollar business they'd be doing that.

Whatever the promise of actual AI (and not just performative LLM garbage), if created they will lock the IP down so hard that most of the population will not be able to afford it. Rich people get Ozempic, poor people get body positivity.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#843
post #589

This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

I am surprised at the negativity from HN. Their clear goal is to build superintelligence. Listen to any of the interviews with Altman, Demis Hassabis, or Dario Amodei (Anthropic) on the purpose of this. They discuss the roadmaps to unlimited energy, curing disease, farming innovations to feed billions, permanent solutions to climate change, and more. Does no one on HN believe in this anymore? Isn't this tech startup…

This place seems to have been overwhelmed by bitterness and envy over the last 5 years or so.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#844
post #796

The US appears to be fully in the grips of centralized economic autarky. A tiny coterie of industrialists who have the President's ear decide how to allocate a gigantic amount of capital for their pet projects while the state raises tariffs and implements bans to protect them from competition. Didn't go well for South America in the 60s and 70s but perhaps, as economists are prone to saying, "this time will be differ…

Private capital. That detail seems to derail your whole comment.

How so? Does this capital being private ensure "this time will be different"?

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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post #844

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private capital. That detail seems to derail your whole comment.

How so? Does this capital being private ensure "this time will be different"?

They should be free to decide how to spend their money?

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#846
post #796

The US appears to be fully in the grips of centralized economic autarky. A tiny coterie of industrialists who have the President's ear decide how to allocate a gigantic amount of capital for their pet projects while the state raises tariffs and implements bans to protect them from competition. Didn't go well for South America in the 60s and 70s but perhaps, as economists are prone to saying, "this time will be differ…

Private capital. That detail seems to derail your whole comment.

Also the fact that two of the names in the headline are foreign owned. (North Korea is an autark's wet dream.)

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#847
post #589

This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

I'm sorry but unless this $500B was being invested in equipping soldiers and building navies, air capabilities, artillery, etc it could not stop even an urban gang turf war.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#849
post #844

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private capital. That detail seems to derail your whole comment.

How so? Does this capital being private ensure "this time will be different"?

> Does this capital being private ensure "this time will be different"?

South America didn't have a mix of domestic and foreign investors deploying massive quantities of private money into capital assets in the 60s and 70s. They had governments borrowing to fund their citizens' consumption. Massive difference on multiple levels.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#850

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is private capital. yes, we are in an era of big projects and big capital deployment. is that synonymous with centralized autarky? i don’t agree

Is this word being used correctly? au·tar·ky /ˈôˌtärkē/ noun economic independence or self-sufficiency. "rural community autarchy is a Utopian dream" a country, state, or society which is economically independent. plural noun: autarkies; plural noun: autarchies

that's what I thought
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