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Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by int_19h »

paulmd wrote: post #423
Jensson wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a 4 year old breach of contract warrant a ban today instead of 4 years ago? The trigger was that Epic criticized Apple, that doesn't seem like a warranted reason to ban someone even if they did something bad 4 years ago. Also since the DMA bans arrangement that Epic breached before, there is no reason to suspect that the EU account will breach anything new now, I really doubt EU will let this slide.

presumably apple's ban on epic games is for life, not just for a year or two. and registering a new account doesn't change that - it's just ban evasion. to wit: you are still banned from reddit or paypal or any other online service, even if you create a new account. if they can link it they'll ban that one too. and this is a new account that epic games tried to register recently. so it got banned too. Not that comple…

If Reddit were in the kind of market-dominant position than Apple is, then yes, absolutely, it should have been a right.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by chii »

Zuiii wrote: post #828
daemin wrote: post #757

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Increasingly in this modern world, no, you are not the owner of the device. You're more like purchasing the right to use it for a time, in the way that the makers want you to use it. This applies across PCs, Macs, and Phones where Microsoft, Apple, and Google all try to up-sell you on their online services and now their "AI tools".

Hopefully changing laws will cure companies from this delusional take. Most reasonable people don't think this way.

> Hopefully changing law

the problem with having consumers take action is that they are completely shortsighted and will take the path of least resistence - a path that the companies will have charted out to make this transition as smooth and painless _for the consumer_ as possible while retaining as much monopolistic power as possible.

There needs to be public institutions with the backing of the state to enforce property rights, including purchased devices.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by _visgean »

samatman wrote: post #371
andersa wrote: post #40

The fines Apple is going to collect for intentionally failing to comply with the DMA are going to be of Epic proportions, exceeding any profit they could have gotten by continuing to steal 30% from society. Ready your popcorn buckets for the next few months/years. They will likely be making an example out of Apple - after all Apple and Google are the reason for this legislation to exist in the first place. > In the n…

Sounds like Apple should exit the European market then. No one is forcing them to do business there, and it only accounts for 10% of their revenue.

Total revenue is 30%, not 10%. For App store its only 7% tho.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/382175/quarterly-revenue...

https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/01/apple-says-eu-represents-7...

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by wtallis »

fennecbutt wrote: post #818

Why is it okay for Apple to ban Epic but allow other devs when it would likely be illegal for Samsung to refuse to sell displays to Apple but sell them to other manufacturers?

Samsung could probably get away with not selling displays to Apple if they had successfully sued Apple for breach of contract related to selling displays to Apple. But it's a lot more plausible that Samsung would still want to take Apple's money even if their relationship were worse.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by brikym »

nojvek wrote: post #800

Meanwhile US FTC is totally asleep at the wheel. What is Lina Khan even doing? Apple is clearly being a bully in daylight.

This is why I sold my APPL stock a few weeks back. The experience on iPhone is shit. The web is broken on Safari. They broke PWAs. The vision pro is not a big hit. The notification system on MacOS is a poor experience as it gets in my way all the time. Apple want to extort devs to build apps. The arm macbook chips are amazing but that's old news now. Too much abuse of their customers and not much innovation. It has since slid 10% and I'm not surprised.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by hnfong »

vld_chk wrote: post #138

Idk, subjectively it feels as end of Apple we all know. Clear stagnation in terms of innovation; no new fundamental interface (no smart glasses, AVP looks too expensive and too narrow); abandon on car project; AI for Apple is nowhere close to others; sales decrease; Apple Watch sales ban; Epic Games court; DMA — after taking a leading position at the market, Apple clearly fails to offer anything new and instead inves…

> Idk, subjectively it feels as end of Apple we all know.

You do rationally realize the cognitive dissonance in your subjective feeling, right?

A company that is accused of abusing their market position, competitors trying to break into their platform, isn't an indicator that the company is close to an end at all.

If it were really the end of Apple, you'd see something like "Epic withdraws legal claims against Apple due to dwindling interest in developing for iOS platforms".

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by int_19h »

lelandfe wrote: post #355
layer8 wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is that Epic doesn’t want to be Apple’s customer in the first place. They want to publish iOS apps. The fact that this requires them to be an Apple customer is the core problem. Imagine if everyone wanting to publish a web app would have to be a customer of the respective browser vendors. Everyone complains about Google and Mozilla and Safari and Edge. Luckily, that doesn’t prevent us from having our web ap…

Publishing a Chrome browser extension more-or-less requires being a customer of the Chrome Web Store. There are plenty of other examples, folks tend to give Playstation/Xbox/Switch stores in these conversations as well.

Yes, this is indeed increasingly common.

All the more reason to legislatively nuke it all as fast and as forcefully as possible before it entrenches.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by int_19h »

jimscard wrote: post #596
layer8 wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is that Epic doesn’t want to be Apple’s customer in the first place. They want to publish iOS apps. The fact that this requires them to be an Apple customer is the core problem. Imagine if everyone wanting to publish a web app would have to be a customer of the respective browser vendors. Everyone complains about Google and Mozilla and Safari and Edge. Luckily, that doesn’t prevent us from having our web ap…

Everyone who publishes software that runs on iOS devices is an Apple customer, though. This isn’t the same thing as a browser — apps running on iOS devices consume APIs on the device, utilize Apple services, etc. Also, when it comes to web apps, in most cases, the developers are also customers of the browser vendors -- from using browser developer tools and SDKs, for example, https://www.google.com/chrome/dev/ , http…

What you are saying is that software industry is a mess, and Apple just happens to be the poster child of many things that are wrong with it.

I agree. Let's deal with all the other extortion schemes while we're at it and make the free market actually free.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by ectospheno »

brikym wrote: post #845
nojvek wrote: post #800

Meanwhile US FTC is totally asleep at the wheel. What is Lina Khan even doing? Apple is clearly being a bully in daylight.

This is why I sold my APPL stock a few weeks back. The experience on iPhone is shit. The web is broken on Safari. They broke PWAs. The vision pro is not a big hit. The notification system on MacOS is a poor experience as it gets in my way all the time. Apple want to extort devs to build apps. The arm macbook chips are amazing but that's old news now. Too much abuse of their customers and not much innovation. It has s…

I love my iphone more than any other tech device I own. Can you elaborate on "The experience on iPhone is shit"? Seems like hyperbole to me.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by ed_mercer »

brikym wrote: post #845
nojvek wrote: post #800

Meanwhile US FTC is totally asleep at the wheel. What is Lina Khan even doing? Apple is clearly being a bully in daylight.

This is why I sold my APPL stock a few weeks back. The experience on iPhone is shit. The web is broken on Safari. They broke PWAs. The vision pro is not a big hit. The notification system on MacOS is a poor experience as it gets in my way all the time. Apple want to extort devs to build apps. The arm macbook chips are amazing but that's old news now. Too much abuse of their customers and not much innovation. It has s…

Macbooks are years ahead of the competition though. I doubt you can name one laptop that comes even close in terms of build quality, performance and battery life. There’s just no alternative.
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