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'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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nomdep wrote: post #679

@dang This article might be “interesting” but so is porn. And both are off-topic, and not about satisfying our intellectual curiosity

That's a pretty awful comparison, but let me point you to some explanations of why this article spent time on HN's front page today, and in what sense the words "interesting" and "curious" apply to it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38616662

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38616823

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38617223

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38618804

If you read those and still have a question that isn't answered there, I'd be interested to hear what it is.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by dang »

digitalsin wrote: post #331

Al Jazeera on the front of HN? Is Alex Jones and Enquirer coming up next?

There have been many posts from that domain on HN over the years.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

It's not one of the primary media sites here but it has its place. That doesn't mean that everything there is true or good (for HN). For more explanation on this point, see these comments I posted earlier today:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38617464

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38618471

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38620928

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by dang »

knallfrosch wrote: post #387
thomasfromcdnjs wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've understood that this topic hasn't been allowed to be discussed here, and I think I've preferred that. But this is the first time I've seen a thread allowed, and a bit personally perplexed to see that it's an Al-Jazeera post. Zero trust. Australian.

I agree that it's weird to see the discussion open with this timing (late) and this topic (a weird side-note compared to the terrorist attack and bombin) and this source (state source from Qatar, which is Hamas-friendly.)

Re the timing (late): see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38619097

Re the site, see these explanations I posted earlier today. The short version is that on HN we go by article, not by site. Most media sites are mostly bad (for HN) articles, with occasional good (for HN) ones.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38617464

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38618471

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38620928

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by tibbydudeza »

I pity both sides.

Wonder what the end game is going to be with this conflict - two state is dead afaik and definitely a single state solution is off the cards due to demographics and fear of the Jewish people.

The best scenario would be that Gaza is incorporated into Egypt and the West Bank to Jordan.

Removing Hamas will simply bring about a worse player like ISIS to the fore.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by dang »

nla wrote: post #703

What is this doing on HN? Keep politics off HN please/

I attempted to answer this in these comments:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38616662

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38616823

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38617223

Re politics on HN: see https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... and if you still have a question I haven't already answered there, I'd be interested to know what it is.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by dang »

michaeltimo wrote: post #640

[flagged]

It looks like you've been using HN primarily for this one cause. That's not allowed on this site, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. We have to ban accounts that do this, and I don't want to ban you, so if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to using HN as intended, we'd appreciate it.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by dang »

lornemalvo wrote: post #147
lossolo wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have been firing rockets for decades. They killed 28 people over 20 years with 20k+ rockets[1]. Israel killed 17 000 people in two months. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_...

You are reading very selectively (and I think fir a reason): > From 2004 to 2014, these attacks have killed 27 Israeli civilians, 5 foreign nationals, 5 IDF soldiers, and at least 11 Palestinians[11] and injured more than 1900 people.[12] Their main effect is their creation of widespread psychological trauma and disruption of daily life among the Israeli populace. Please at least try to stay true to the facts, even i…

Please make your substantive points without swipes like in your first sentence (and also your last one). This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by baybal2 »

dang wrote: post #346
bitcurious wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got the impression that stories about the Ukraine/Russia was have been consistently suppressed, including stories about the tech side of the war - drones, hacking, etc. Is this impression mistaken?

It was similar. Users flagged many posts, and we applied the same principles as I've described in this thread, as best we could. That involved turning off flags on certain stories. Unfortunately, the threads did not go well. That experience is one reason why I'm taking a different approach in the current thread. We're trying to learn over time how to support some discussion (but not too much) of these difficult topic…

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Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by neonsunset »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #83
dang wrote: post #2

All: if you're going to comment in this thread, please do not do so in the spirit of battle. The latter is off topic here, and the last thread HN had about this did not do well enough at keeping to the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . Instead, ask first whether you can find a place of compassion in yourself before commenting. If you can't, that's understandable, but then please don'…

You usually nuke stories that are political. I'm not being critical, it clearly leads to significant improvement over similar sites. What makes this one different? When I see a headline like this, I usually assume I managed to see it before you did, and if I refresh the page that it will probably disappear. So again, and without accusation, what's different? Bad things happen all over the world, nearly constantly or…

There are two possibilities:

- This submission is being kept up out of personal agenda (in which case, fair, we can vote with out feet and voices on other platforms)

- This submission is being kept up out of genuine belief. That would constitute an adjective used to describe a person who inadvertently helps their enemies (which Iranian proxies are).

On another note, the article contents - most of it is just poor conditions and rough treatment, which is something that happens to you if you rape and massacre civilians. If you want to know what is actual torture, look up what happens in russia-occupied regions of Ukraine. That's torture, and it happens on a scale far surpassing anything that happened or can happen on such a small piece of land as Gaza strip.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by Log_out_ »

dang wrote: post #346
bitcurious wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got the impression that stories about the Ukraine/Russia was have been consistently suppressed, including stories about the tech side of the war - drones, hacking, etc. Is this impression mistaken?

It was similar. Users flagged many posts, and we applied the same principles as I've described in this thread, as best we could. That involved turning off flags on certain stories. Unfortunately, the threads did not go well. That experience is one reason why I'm taking a different approach in the current thread. We're trying to learn over time how to support some discussion (but not too much) of these difficult topic…

Could these threads be saved by a different post weighting model? Throw away downvoted posts, but also discard controversial up voted posts? Or detect bipartisan voting and discard those votes?
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